higher wages for the servers... by the customers. Fnbs

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• jordanlund@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are you paying your servers a living wage or not? If yes, I’m not tipping.

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• stappern@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  all this tip nonsense would keep me away from restaurants. luckly none of this shit here where i live.

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• Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve stopped going to restaurants because of shit like this.

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  • iix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My favorite Mexican place that I’ve been eating at for 15+ years is still offering a fair price. I’ve never really paid attention to prices before but it’s a real quick in the balls lately! My wife and I can eat there for $20. Vegetable fajita and garden quesadilla with waters. Their delicious salsa is made in house too,not sure about the chips. The kitchen doesn’t always get it right but most of the time it’s phenomenal. Not kidding, I feel like I’m taking advantage of them, $20! That’s literally what I paid on date night in 1994.

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• _sideffect@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wait, $17 for Lettuce??

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  • overzeetop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What the devil?

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    • Gork@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Insert copypasta

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• BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is it even legal to force you to pay more than the menu reads? I know tipping 18% is a social norm now in the states, but you can technically say no to that. Can you say no to this service tax?

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  • unceme@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Tipping isn’t really a social norm as much as it is a social imperative-- the food is considerably cheaper than it should bebecause you’re expected to make up the cost difference in tips.

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    • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A companies shitty business model is not the responsibility of the customer.

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    • BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is a social norm. Prices at restaurants are not cheap even without including tips, the amount tipped is decided by social norms, and if i get a shitty service i sure as hell dont tip.

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  • key@lemmy.keychat.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The menu clearly states the service fee.

    Image

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    • bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I love how they try to do it over the “per CA State law” clause so it seems like they’re forced to charge that.

      Is this a law for all restaurants?

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    • NathanielThomas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The menu fine prints the service fee

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    • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No need to “tip” then, already included.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Per CA state law, water is only served upon request”

      Because we all know that the biggest contributor to the water crisis: glasses of water sitting untouched at restaurant tables.

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• Lazerbeams2@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Did you pay $16.95 for lettuce? Tf kinda restaurant did you go to?

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  • iamascaryvampire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    think of it as a very expensive salad. it was good but… not $17 good.

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    • Lazerbeams2@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Idk, I don’t even pay that much for kosher food and the smallest and cheapest kosher burger I’ve ever seen cost $5 with $10 being closer to the average

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  • beckie_lane@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A nice one. :)

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• Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wow. Fuck that restaurant. Fuck it to death. Fuck it to hell. Fuck it F O R E V E R.

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  • mr47@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And that is why in some places in the world, service fee is illegal.

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• frosty@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  …only mildly infuriating?!

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• StinkyFinger@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I thought bait and switch was illegal in the USA.

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• Squander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  OP post the QR code, I would love to know what restaurant this is, so I can stay clear away.

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  • melonpunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.jonandvinnys.com/service-charge

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    • tabris@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      At its core, the service charge is about driving change in our industry – helping ensure our business can thrive in challenging economic environments and compensating each member of our team in a more equitable way – in a way that uniformly increasing our food prices doesn’t allow for. 

      I don’t understand what the difference is between adding the service charge and increasing prices. Literally no justification for this, just a “trust us, bro”.

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• TheLobotomist@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The woman was cheap though

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They should serve something with her though. I never saw a woman so alone.

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• mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is bonkers. Just include it in the price… I would definitely refuse it and have done it one time, when it was not clearly stated in the menu that’s service will be added. The waiter claimed it is “a standard fee”. No, it’s not and should never be.

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• TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  All I want to know is … What the flying fuck is a “shazzy” and is it delicious?

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love to spread the shazzy on the LA woman

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    • get_the_reference_@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I spread the shazzy on the kids’ shells. It’s delicious!

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• CoolBeance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think it’s okay if there’s a service charge, but it should be obvious like this and tipping afterwards shouldn’t even be brought up. It’s not the best solution for everyone but it’s a step in the right direction of no fucking tipping

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• PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  $22.50 for kids shells? Please tell me where this is so I can never go there.

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• OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Demand they give the service charge to the server. I’ve done this with a manager recently and he was so embarrassed when it was brought to public attention he promised he would. Then said, it was simply disgraceful it’s an attempt to double dip on tops that a server wouldn’t see. But I’m a large man, so might not be easy for everyone.

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• falkerie71@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I live in a Asia where service fees of 10% are normal with no tipping culture.
  I can see why people may think 18% is too much, but honestly tipping culture should just be gone entirely. Waiters shouldn’t have to rely on customer tips, which can vary for different reasons even ones that may be outside their control, to earn a living wage.

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  • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Forgive my ignorance but what’s the difference between a service fee and tip in this context?

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A tip is consensual

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    • Shush@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You must pay the service fee.

      Also, usually the fee is a stated amount - with tip, you pick the amount (though you get guilt trippee into picking higher amounts).

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• Fatbuddha@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ok yeah what you are complaining about is valid but I can't get over the $22.50 for Kids Shells... Like a fucking a pasta serving for children?! This restaurant seems insane to begin with.

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• mookulator@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m gonna get lambasted for this, but I don’t see the issue.

  If the restaurant paid them more in wages, the customer would pay for that too in the form of higher on-menu prices. That’s just how paying for goods and services works.

  Unless this is some mega-restaurant where the owners are asking so much money that they could take a pay cut and meaningfully increase everyone’s wages?

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  • Godort@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure, but I would be much happier with higher prices printed on the menu than a secret hidden fee at the end of the meal

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    • Knusper@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right, while deciding what to eat or whether to dine there at all, you can’t know that this service fee will be added.

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  • SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re right and people are just dumb. This is no different than just raising prices but people see service charge and a percentage as a line item and lose their minds.

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    • 40hands@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then just raise the fucking prices. Try bending over less for this bullshit.

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    • jemorgan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Except that when a business raises prices, the menu shows the increased price. You can decide whether you want to pay before you eat.

      This is no different than walking into Walmart, filling up your shopping cart with $100 worth of groceries, and then seeing that they charged you $18 ‘to pay the checkers and baggers’ as you walk out the door.

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  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Your missing that they’re still asking for tips. Yes what you’re saying makes sense and a lot of restaurants do just that … But then they genuinely don’t accept tips still because they’re not needed anymore. You don’t get the cake and eat it too, you either have tips or you have the fee.

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  • Knusper@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I fully agree, but looking at those prices, this is likely a greedy mega-restaurant…

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• Demonbooker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bold of you to assume that’s going to the servers and not straight into the owners pocket.

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  • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I will bet you that the servers do not see a dime of this 18% service charge.

    OP does not seem to be assuming any such thing.

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s likely going to bussers/hosts/associated non-cook BOH

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• Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Glad to see they’re paying a living wage and the tip went back to being an optional gratuity instead of something the server depends on to make their rent.

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  • Neve8028@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah. While a service charge is annoying, when you eat in the US you already know that you’ll be adding on an extra 20% regardless. If you don’t have to leave a tip at the end, you’re paying the same amount that you would have with the tip.

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• CaptionAdam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Turns out my local casinos restaurant does this aswell but its called a forced gratuity.

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• viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Those prices are bloody insane to begin with. >22$ plus tax for chicken wings??? I can eat for 3 days just for that.

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• Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s already a service charge, why tip more?

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• Saturdaycat@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You had a los Angeles woman for only 3.75?

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  • collasta@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That was the coke, but still a damn good street price.

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  • CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A dish made famous by The Doors

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• happyhippo@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oh, please help me on this.

  I’m Italian and going on a trip to the western US in less than two weeks, and still haven’t understood how to behave wrt tipping/service charge.

  In my previous trips to the US, before this nonsense was automatically added to the bill, I would tip between 15 and 20 depending on my level of satisfaction with the waiting staff.

  What should I do now, when visiting places auto-charging a service fee?

  Any advice is appreciated, thanks!

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  • NiiicePants@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If they’re auto-charging it, don’t tip any extra on top. Check every receipt because in many places you’ll see they automatically add gratuity. This place is definitely shady for adding it as a “service fee” and then still putting suggested tip amount afterwards. I would say do not feel guilty and do not think twice. Service fee implies that it paid for the service.

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    • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      With any luck, this becomes widespread and ends tipping culture.

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    • happyhippo@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks!

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  • ingeanus@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone in the US, this rarely occurs but if it does it is usually when a place serves a large group (justified as the Extra difficult for serving so many people at once). If I saw this applied in another situation I would 100% consider that a tip, give them nothing, and never eat there again. If it was applied when I went in a large group I’d say it cam go both ways, but I’d definitely not go back there with lots of people again. Overall, I’d say it’s bullshit and a good proportion of the people I know would agree.

    Hope your trip goes well

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    • happyhippo@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks! Seems a reasonable approach

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  • drifty@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I see no reason to tip at all in most cases and ask them to remove the service charge or it’s equivalent from my bill. I get eye-rolls and looks sometimes but I’m not obligated to pay anything above the charge for my food lmao

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  • NormPR@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most places still don’t do this. Just look out for it but you probably won’t run into it. I would say that these days 20% is kind of the new 15%.

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    • happyhippo@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok, thanks!

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• TruTollTroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So they think they are a hotel providing a venue and service? I worked in Hospitality as HR and the service charge made sense for the weddings and events we did… But a smaller restaurant using a ‘service’ tax that they most certainly do not feed back to the employees, is predatory… and as the consumer eating out… I would be disinclined to tip now… If they really sued the service tax for the employees, the tips would not be an option, because the staff would be adequately compensated… They wouldn’t need toa sk for the tips… This restaurant wants it’s cake and to eat it too

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• NathanielThomas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t get it, so they want you to tip on the auto-tipped bill? And the auto-tip is 18%, more than the suggested tips?

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• Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I will bet you that the servers do not see a dime of this 18% service charge.

  That's exactly why so many restaurants are adding service charges nowadays. It's a way to legally take tip money from servers.

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• ech0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Id hand the Waiter directly $50, not pay the rest of the bill, leave and never return. Fuck this restaurant.

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  • Lutz69@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This only hurts the server who would have to pay the bill out of pocket.

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    • webadict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If any employer does that, contact your state labor board. That is hella illegal.

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    • Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Isn’t that illegal?

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