Submitted 5 days ago by todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee to [deleted]
It seems to me that Republicans and the Christian Nationalists they are in bed with are going to be immovably pro-Israel. How do we prevent our government from participating in this genocide as these new politicians take power?
Vote Harris… Wait. Damnit.
That wouldn’t have helped this situation
Do you really think that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump would be equally bad on this issue? Why?
Israel’s extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Denocrats. Harris wouldn’t have saved the Palestinians.
Kid, you should try reading things by actual, paid journalists, who aren’t just contributors to free online “news” sources.
Or good books.
Don’t tell the liberals that. If you spook them now, they might start “reaching across the aisle” today instead of next week.
Too late bud
Pray. That’s all you have left.
You think he will ever listen to you even if you demonstrate?
You’re going to enjoy a medieval monarchy, and more than half of the country either wants it or can’t be bothered with it because they have better things to do.
You’re going to enjoy a medieval monarchy
Yup. Average Americans are going to lose so much of what little power we had over the next handful of years. Hope we’re all happy we chose this for ourselves.
Doomerism helps no one. There are always things you can do, even if they’re small.
Doomerism doesn’t help, but doom is what we’ve chosen.
We gleefully voted for it, in fact.
Time to suffer.
There’s doomerism and there is reality.
This is reality and it’s bad. It isn’t a maybe it will be fine maybe it won’t situation. Trump has promised wealthy powerful people a lot of stuff to get him into power. And they put him into power specifically to do that stuff. They have plainly said exactly what they are going to do, laid out an agenda and promised to follow it as best they can. The final hurdle was the election, which even if it went a bit bad for them could have still worked with lawsuits about voter fraud or plain insurrection. But it didn’t went bad for them, it was a major victory. They couldn’t have dreamt of a better outcome. There are no more hurdles, no more barriers, no more limits. At this point it’s denial to think they aren’t going to do what they set out to do.
I feel there are things we can do for our own mental health and maybe the people around us. But as for the big picture, it’s done, it’s over. We’ve seen first hand what happens if this kind of thing goes down in a country and the outcome is always the same.
Excessive optimism reduces pressure on making things better
You know, Republicans have long been the “thoughts and prayer” party. Are you saying that we have now become the COUNTRY of “thoughts and prayers”? Dammit all.
You’re wrong about the medieval monarchy part. The US is about to become Nazi Germany.
Sorry to break it to you, but you can’t.
There are a few remaining checks and balances on other issues, and the Democratic Party might be able to use its minority in Congress to strategically delay certain things. But foreign policy is entirely in the President and Congress’s domain. And while Republicans in Congress sometimes have internal bickering that derails their agenda, I expect Trump and Congress to march lock-step on this one. (Their marching might even be a bit like a goose step, come to think of it.)
this genocide is The conclusion of a 50-year crusade by the Israelis, and Trump said he’s fully on board with Netanyahu finishing his attack on Palestine.
and dumps is going to be in charge of The US military in a couple months.
so there isn’t much you can do
this will be one more concluded genocide in the books.
There are none. This is game over for Palestinians, Ukranians, and 99% of Americans. Mango Hitler controls all branches of the government, and every check and balance has been removed.
Even if there was evidence of massive voter fraud on Trump’s part, it wouldn’t matter. Anyone who could do anything about it is on his team.
The US democracy is dead.
It’s probably worth asking “what are the next steps for citizens of Portugal to stop the destruction of Palestine?”
Or Honduras or Australia or South Korea or Madagascar.
Because it’s now the same answer. You can do whatever you as a private citizen can do. Our friend’s dad travelled to Palestine and rode in on a boat loaded with construction supplies, sort of “throwing his body” in the path. Of course this was before this full scale war. I wouldn’t recommend this action now. Send money to aid groups. Whatever you could do from the suburbs of Cartegena, that’s what you can do as an American.
You can’t do anything about the policy from the top now. That’s a sealed envelope.
Keep blocking shipments of arms, figure out how to dismantle AIPAC, boost the voices of Palestinians and anti-Zionist Jews, follow BDS.
On the arms shipments, we may try lawsuits via the Leahy Law if the ethnic cleansing ramps up. The way the law is written, it actually looks at arms shipments all the way down to the granular level of individual military units. It does not say arms cannot be exported to countries engaging in war crimes, it specifically says individual military units that commit war crimes cannot receive arms. If they choose to engage in a broader campaign of organized displacement out of Gaza or starvation in places where combat has largely died down, a larger number of military units could potentially become implicated, which could maybe make a lawsuit more feasible. We’ll have to see.
Regarding AIPAC, since Citizen’s United determined that monetary donations are a form of speech, this requires either an amendment or recapture of the Supreme Court. Otherwise Americans are allowed to lobby the government for whatever they wish, even if they are doing so at the behest of a foreign government. They have to disclose that, but so long as they do, they are simply exercising their Constitutional rights as perceived by the current Supreme Court. This isn’t going away any time soon, the current law is very clear and pretty much ironclad, rooted in the Constitution itself via the Bill of Rights.
How can a regular person block shipments or arms or dismantle AIPAC? That’s not possible.
What does boosting voices of soon to be dead people do to stop them from dying? What does organizing or donating do?
Trump has promised Israel everything they need, no questions asked, no limits. And they already have so much, they don’t really need a lot more. They can already destroy Paletine, they can already destroy parts of Iran and Lebanon. They just need the extra stuff and funds to do it quicker and destroy more of those countries.
And don’t think for a second Trump and their cronies won’t block any money flow from the US to anywhere near there and divert it to Israel instead. And block organizations in the US from doing anything. Israel is already blocking aid for Palestine even from organizations like the Red Cross. What are small organizations going to do?
Plus the time to act has come and gone. Time is up, this is going to happen within months. We can’t organize, lobby for policy change, set up aid and demonstrations. It’s done, there is a deadline and that means death for a whole lot of people.
All we can do at this point is look with shock and horror as the far right grips the world and destroys a lot of the things we hold dear.
Hey, come on, the question was meant seriously, but not that seriously
Yeah better do what you can within the next two months.
I am stealing someone else’s idea (can’t remember whose), but just make non-stop memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s pet, and let the narcissism run wild. If everyone one on social media was sharing memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s bitch especially after Netanyahu said Biden was better than Trump, I believe there would be ton of budget cuts to Israel.
pet
I think you mean subby gimp plaything.
We don’t? We lost. I’m going to go back to huddling in the corner.
the best time to get educated about what a fascist american government looks like is 20-25 years ago. the second best time is… wait, too late
Convince a fuckton of electors to go rogue and vote Harris in January. Of course you’d have a better chance at winning the lottery than that
Be billionaire and outbid Netanyahu
You could vote for the candidate least likely to Genocide. I think Kamala was her name…
No seriously, I hope Palestine gets the policies that all the Genocide Joes here voted for. You earned it for them! 🫡
We’re sick and tired of political opinions masquerading as questions - take it to a political audience - please leave us. This is not the place.
Side question. Which communities can I do that? I have some questions I want to ask, but haven’t found a place. The politics community requires a link to an article, which is practically what I want to ask for.
Kill as many Nazis as you can.
How do we prevent our government
It’s really simple. You start getting your head around the idea of actually OPPOSING your own government.
Don’t pretend you don’t know how to do this. Antifa and BLM have already shown you how to do this.
Sabotage Democratic outreach and voter engagement efforts right?
Joe Biden was all in. There is nothing that can be done at this point. Truly fucked
Good for you trump will enable Israel to defend itself better against the genocidal terrorists.
Hmmm yes defend, by …checks notes… killing every man woman and child in neighboring countries.
Can’t have Hamas if you ethnically cleans away Palestina * taps head.
Divest Israel. But then they will just get more money from the US.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Lol.
Too late.
Palestine will cease to exist.
Why?
Because Donald Trump only helps those who he can directly benefit from. Palestine cannot benefit him. Israel can.
If you want to help Palestine, build a time machine, go back in time, and tell every liberal/independent fool who voted 3rd party or abstained from voting over the whole Palestine thing to do the smart thing instead.
Elections have consequences, and every last American is about to find that out the real hard way.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
If got time machine, go back and stop all religion from forming, problem solved atheist utopia
Onyxonblack@lemm.ee 5 days ago
I would go back further. 400,000 years back, with weapons to eradicate the human species. We are anathema to this planet’s other life. Humans are a toxic disease.
masquenox@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?
You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now? Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them, or at least entirely getting out of their way while they do it, instead of putting up some form of resistance to the idea of them wiping Palestine out?
I wouldn’t call it credit. I’d call it reading a history book and undestanding how far white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.
VirusMaster3073@lemmy.autism.place 5 days ago
I feel even worse since I did vote for Harris, although live in a red ass state so it doesn’t amount to much (hopefully I’ll move out next year).
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I definitely recommend getting out while you can. Move somewhere that affords you more rights and has a stronger economy.