And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they’d be criticized for that too. People always manage to label protests as the wrong time/place. What they really mean is “protest is fine as long as no one, especially me, is asked to actually pay attention to it.”
Environmental protester halt the world championship in cycling... one of the best alternatives to fuel driven transportation....
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pooperNickel@lemm.ee 1 year ago
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they’d be criticized for that too.
May, just maybe, those aren’t the only two choices. Maybe they could also protest in front of offices of politicians and actually reach the people who can change anything.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And maybe, just maybe, the protesters should have a goal of not only getting their message out but winning people over to their side. Maybe a goal of gaining support.
I don’t think this strategy of “annoy as many people as you can” will succeed in gaining any positive attention
l0v9ZU5Z@feddit.de 1 year ago
Yes, why has no one tried that before, 😂
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Greenpeace recently protested on top of British PM Rishi Sunak’s private mansion while he was away. And they still got swamped with “YoU cAnT pRoTeSt LiKe tHaT” and people coming up with the most contrived reasons to say they are hypocritical.
It literally does not matter how these people protests, people will always say they are doing it the wrong way, because chuds dont actually mean it when they say that. They simply dont want them to protest at all, so they can pretend its not happening.
Thundernerd@lemm.ee 1 year ago
100%. The moment you point out that this isn’t the way to go you’re instantly seen as the bad one, that you don’t want to be inconvenienced. It’s so dumb.
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I have this big thing I love to go into where I list dozens of better ways of getting media attention and starting dialog, one of the ideas is a big group of well organised people going to clean train stations and educate people on why trains are more climate friendly than cars and why that’s important…
Talked up a lot of people involved in and supporting direct action and they all say one of two things ‘i don’t have time for this’ or ‘yeah sounds great but I’m going to stick with things that haven’t been working for decades thanks’
I really have come to belive that for most people in these things the environment is just an excuse for attention seeking, or the support of these groups acts as a way of telling themselves ‘we try so hard but nothing changes’ because they don’t actually want change, they just want a way of separating themselves from the guilt of consumerism.
It’s like the chorus of people saying that it’s corporations that use all the plastic, like the list of top ten plastic uses isn’t just a list of companies that make products everyone uses - coke is in the list for example, they don’t have a massive pile of plastic bottles to swim in like Scrooge McDuck nor do they have some magic power that forces people to buy their drinks. Working together we could change the world, but no one wants to change they just want a moment of self importance and an excuse for being part of it.
Michal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Cycling is environmentally friendly, but let’s not equate world championship to cycling as transport. The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint. Still, weird choice of event to protest, but I can see them doing what they can to get the publicity they need.
Freeman@feddit.de 1 year ago
I think its because of this: sh.itjust.works/comment/1915960
I guess big oil has nothing against cycling, as long as its the sport and not the mode of transport…
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint.
Same is true for almost every form of entertainment but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to the truly big polluters.
nal@lib.lgbt 1 year ago
Sources of entertainment have - by definition - more viewers and attention than Exxon’s office building.
Skyrocket0006@feddit.nl 1 year ago
This is mildly infuriating but ruining the climate is very infuriating. So I understand the protesting and I hope we’re gonna see a good second half of the race.
supercheesecake@aussie.zone 1 year ago
When you’ve done everything that’s reasonable, and no one in power listens, so have to become unreasonable. And people say, why can’t you just be reasonable?! 😕
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
When you’ve done everything that’s reasonable, and no one in power listens, so have to become unreasonable.
Get elected and become a person in power then.
zer0@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
What’s mildly infuriating is that you are complaining about these protesters without providing any details on the protest.
grue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What’s mildly infuriating…
No it’s not!
“White moderate” reactionary whinging is much more than “mildly” infuriating.
Jinfox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t know about this Cycling competition, but the Tour de france thing has more helper cars, truck, cameraman motorcycle. Entire mobile village with caravan, trucks etc. Thats a lot of ecological impact even if indeed Cycling is one of the greenest transportation method.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah a big competitive bike race with corporate sponsors and television cameras has little to do with cycling as a green method of transportation. It’s a bigass corporate gangbang and a fair target for disruption. Only the most lazy, dense observer would look at the Tour de France and think it was there to promote environmentalism.
appel@whiskers.bim.boats 1 year ago
I don’t know the ideologies of the protestors, but I do agree with protesting against “big cycling”. Cycling around on a trusty steel bike which you can repair yourself is environmentally friendly. Buying a new carbon fiber bike every few years because it is 2% more aero than the last is not. Instead of standardized parts, the cycling industry wants you to buy cheap ones that break fast, and can only be replaced with their specific parts. They sell this to you by including some upgrades in chains, cassettes etc. The cycling industry is the same as any other industry, it exists to make profits. Truly sustainable things do not come from making profits.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve commuted to work by bicycle maybe 2 decades out of my career of almost 3 decades, NEVER with any bicyle worth more than 200 EUR (during my time in The Netherlands I always got second hand bicycles … well, more likely 4th or 5h hand) and you clearly have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.
You’re talking about, maybe, the consumer high-end “recreative” cycling, the kind that’s sold to fad-following consumers will at most pull out the bicycle on a weekend day, put on a “Tour de France” disguise and go cycle to be seen cycling.
In countries were people actually cycle for utility purposes those are a tiny fraction of people and the “cycling industry” is something else altogether than what you describe. Normal people use normal bicycles which are not to expensive, especially because you really don’t want to park a 1000+ EUR on the street, not if you want to come back and still find all of it there.
Further, even at the high-end, the actual pros know how to fix their own bicycles and know the value of standardized components: it’s really only the “cycling fashionistas” that would go for overpriced bicycles with non-standard elements.
Going after cycling because of a few idiots (and there are idiots in every human endeavour) and calling it pro-Ecology is the pinnacle of stupidity and doing the work of the enemy.
appel@whiskers.bim.boats 1 year ago
I am indeed talking about consumer high-end cycling, and I see it poisoning peoples minds in my city with their marketing that says to be eco-friendly and cycle to work you have to buy a brand new bike for £1000. I am arguing about the case in my city and the direction I don’t want to see cycling in general take. I agree with you that in many places, cycling is much better, the Netherlands is a great example. I am not going after cycling as a whole, just the rich directors of Shimano, SRAM, Trek, Specialized, etc. that have greenwashed expensive high-end cycling and make people believe that they need the latest stuff. I am not saying that the industry is already in a bad place, just that it could head that way.
bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You clearly didn’t read what they wrote, and then went on a tirade about it.
Nothing you said really applies as a retort to the other user’s comment.
Aux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Have you ever cycled in your life? Because that’s not how it works.
Aurix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why do you think 13 gear cassettes are a thing? The chain has to be thinner and everything is much more precise. Add to that mechanical load and it is much worse for every casual rider in reliability than the older 2x9, 3x9 systems.
mtcerio@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Few “big bicycling” inspires a lot of “small bicycling”
marmo7ade@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cycling around on a trusty steel bike which you can repair yourself is environmentally friendly. Buying a new carbon fiber bike every few years because it is 2% more aero than the last is not.
These are not the only options. Carbon fiber is superior to steel for the purpose of making a bicycle. You could buy 1 carbon fiber bike and ride it for years.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And this makes us talk about the fact that cycling is one of the most environmentally friendly alternatives to the car.
dimspace@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cycling might be.
Cycling the sport isn’t. The sheer volume of support cars, media cars, motorbikes at every race is utter insanity.
grue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
sportwashing
For the folks too lazy to look it up:
Sportswashing is a term used to describe the practice of individuals, groups, corporations, or governments using sports to improve reputations tarnished by wrongdoing. A form of propaganda, sportswashing can be accomplished through hosting sporting events, purchasing, or sponsoring sporting teams, or participating in a sport.
electrogamerman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Seems the protest was effective then
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Try cycling where I live and you’ll hate the idea of cycling in a week
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s not a problem with cycling. That is a problem with city planning.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Which isn’t a excuse not to improve it.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My guess is that those “protesters” are paid and organized by some oil industry people (maybe without the activists glued to the floor knowing about this), just to give real climate activists a bad image. I’ve talked to a real climate activist recently, and she was furious about those “gullible idiots”.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s a little funny how someone believing an actual literal conspiracy theory would call others gullible idiots.
Fjaeger@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Because no conspiracies have ever existed.
And009@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Umm… What conspiracy, the climate change?
sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 year ago
So what is your plan instead?
Michal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Interrupting motorsports may give then more sympathy.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Interrupting motorsports may give then more sympathy.
Like when they glued themselves on a race track of Formula E electric racing because promoting emission free propulsion is apparently bad as well.
YaksDC@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you actually would like to read about it: reuters.com/…/protesters-halt-mens-road-race-2023…
salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 year ago
British Cycling is sponsored by oil company Shell.
AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I just assume these dumb protest ideas are actors paid by oil
tegs_terry@feddit.uk 1 year ago
That’s not the point though is it, smartass?
traveler01@lemdro.id 1 year ago
It’s almost like they are trying people to hate on them so oil companies can get their way.
Don’t support these protesters.
pooperNickel@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeah why don’t they know their place, where no one will notice them???
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Yeah don’t they know about the free speech circle that exists on the other side of town underneath the freeway overpass next to the river? That’s where protests belong!
Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is a common occurrence in recent years by leftist groups. They have no bloody clue how to get their message out and connect with people that they make absolutely boneheaded moves. Moves that typically make these people look worse than if they did nothing.
There were environmental protesters in the US a few months back who stopped an entire highway. So now you have dozens or even hundreds of cars just idling there which is the worst thing to do for emissions. There have been similar protests before, but what really struck me with one of the protests was that there was some guy who was driving to meet his parole officer. If he was late to the meeting for any reason, he’d get thrown back in jail. The guy was pleading with these people to move to the side and let him go and they wouldn’t budge. What a bunch of absolutely douchebags. These moves do not endear your audience to your cause, for fucks sakes.
Then there are groups like PETA. People of all races and cultures love animals, and yet these clowns find a way time and time again to turn people away from a cause that should otherwise be a homerun. Who wants to see animals being abuse? No one, and yet with the tactics these guys pull, they turn off more people than turn onto their organization because they always focus on the wrong things.
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There were environmental protesters in the US a few months back who stopped an entire highway. So now you have dozens or even hundreds of cars just idling there which is the worst thing to do for emissions.
Fucking Koala brains. If you cant even be bothered to TRY and understand the point of the protests, then at least keep your mouth shut rather than polluting the world with your ignorance.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
It’s almost like the media is trying to make people hate them so oil companies can get their way.
Don’t support these companies.
What’s the “acceptable” form of protest in your opinion. Literally anything they do gets an article about how wrong it is, because they are trying to upset those with power.
traveler01@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Tell me how these protests are upsetting people with power.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
An acceptable form of protests not only gets the message across but wins people over to your side. Meanwhile you seem to be claiming that any publicity is good publicity, as if anyone is unaware of your message, and don’t care that you’re alienating the people who could be helping you
MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Noted! I will go burn a few tires to teach them.
preussischblau@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I stg posts like these are just part of some sort of psyop at this point.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 year ago
Where did you get that it is environmental protestors?
lemann@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Why… just why?
Compactor9679@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hahaha fucking idiots
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The men’s road race wasn’t temporarily interrupted. When a race is interrupted, it’s done for good because you lose all the positions and momentum.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re not watching the race are you…
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nope. But I don’t need to in order to know that races that get interrupted can’t be started again and still be valid.
shitpost@doom.broker 1 year ago
i see
martyc3@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
British Cycling is sponsored by oil company Shell according to the article.
CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Do you mind? I’m trying to be righteously infuriated over here.
Erk@cdda.social 1 year ago
It’s amazing how “righteous fury” people seem to get over folks protesting sporting events because the fucking planet is on fire.
“Oh but couldn’t they be more calm and quiet about it, I want to watch the race!”
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 year ago
With participants who likely flew themselves their bikes in from all around the world for a pointless competition. I wouldn’t compare an international bike race to a person who rides their bike to work to help the environment.
Aux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sporting events are the best way to reach hundreds of millions of people to deliver the message. Athlete flights are a tiny price to pay for it. And protesters literally fucked it up. Because they are dumbfuck attention whores and nothing else.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I’m sure they had many sponsors? Admittedly, I’ve done zero research…
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Visit www.cyclingworldchamps.com and scroll to the bottom. Neither Shell nor Ineos are on the list of sponsors.
Seems the protestors didn’t either.
Rooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The protestors too. So? XD