Academic Authors: $0
FAKE NEWS
This should be in the negatives. We have to pay to get papers published in these traditional journals.
Publishing Revenue
Submitted 8 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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howrar@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And sometimes open access costs money for the author too.
xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Don’t forget the university libraries. Yup, researchers are paid by the university, those researchers pay the publishers to place their articles, the peer reviewers are also paid by the university. And then the university has to shell out money to the publishers, so the articles can be accessed.
darki@lemmy.world 8 months ago
and don’t use Sci-hub people. I am warning ⚠️ you so you can avoid it 🫡
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Thank you for the warning. I almost received free and convenient access to a large caralog of academic articles, and no one wants that.
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I, too have seen the ability of Sci-Hub to give me free access to research papers.
It’s terrifying how easy it is to get access to scientific literature for free! Wouldn’t recommend to anyone.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
these terrorists want to give free access to tax funded research, it is disgusting.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Annas Archives
xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Came here to post this. It’s so evil, it even has ebooks meant for entertainment.
Never visit downmagaz either!
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 8 months ago
o7
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
dont ever use this, it has almost everything
YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Also Nexus Search Telegram bots
mEEGal@lemmy.world 8 months ago
but wait…
where meme part ?
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
cybervseas@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Didn’t you know? Screenshots of social media posts are memes now 🙃
!politicalmemes@lemmy.world suffers from this but it’s 1000% worse there.
gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s a meme because it first makes you laugh, and then it makes you think.
Snapz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
New textbooks have disappearing ink that only lasts, about one semester, until a month before finals, and then in that month they trigger dynamic pricing increases due to a stronger than typical demand…
fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Don’t give them ideas.
yamanii@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t give them ideas for free.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
NGL if I was a college professor in this situation I’d be pirating my own work fuck these guys
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Wry frequently you can email the author of the paper and they will be super happy to send you a copy.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I do it all the time. Something something sci-hub. If you ask, the authors will almost always share a preprint.
demizerone@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just like the Olympics. The companies are vampire squids.
Kanda@reddthat.com 8 months ago
That’s unfair to both vampires and squids
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
vampire squid makes them sound cute, they are literally the scum of the earth: They are leeching billions from what is normally a tax funded sector and on the side heavily polarising access to science in favor of rich countries.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah they are more like Humboldt squid. They live below most things, in the dark, and surface when it is dark. They will eat others, of their own kind, if they are injured, or otherwise inhibited, or because their group isn’t finding adequate feeding fast enough.
Neon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I thought you were a Biologist and were going on an actual rant about actual vampire squids
banana_havoc@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Reviewers and writers actually do get a stipend, but it’s a token amount like 200 bucks a year. This industry is the most ass backward incentive structure we could possibly create, the only reason writers would provide articles to a journal is literally for the clout.
cassowary@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Really? I’ve reviewed and published a good chunk of papers and never received any financial compensation.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 8 months ago
Well, you received a token amount of 0 bucks an eternity.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve never gotten a stipend or heard of someone getting a stipend for publishing or reviewing manuscripts. The only thing I’ve been offered is access to the journal.
banana_havoc@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Depends on the journal I guess, my wife worked at multiple publishers and there’s normally a insultingly small stipend for the editorial board members and writers
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
That’s not an incentive, they’re mocking you with money
blackbrook@mander.xyz 8 months ago
They all got bought up by venture capitalists like a decade or more more ago, and this is the result.
Bloobish@hexbear.net 8 months ago
Clout and also many academic focused universities expect some set minimum of publications from their staff
Meron35@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve heard of some journals promising to pay their reviewers Amazon gift cards which they never end up sending out
ace_garp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Or, publish to PLOS ONE, the open-access science journal.
gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
As of April 2021, PLOS One charges a publication fee of $1,745 to publish an article.
I mean, seriously, I would like to publish to one of these, but who has the money to do that?
ikilledlaurapalmer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean, if you consider how much a study costs to get to the point of publication, the publication costs are peanuts in comparison.
ace_garp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
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Thanks, I did not know that fee was added.
MBM@lemmings.world 8 months ago
There are many other open-access journals, for example these: freejournals.org. But yes, open-access is the way.
ace_garp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thank you for these extra options. Great link.
Zacryon@feddit.org 8 months ago
Another one, Frontiers:
ace_garp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A Creative-Commons mega-journal that I did not know about. Thanks!
kalistia@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I have a stupid question but what are the costs of a journal like this? I mean, if they don’t pay the researchers and the reviewers, what do they do?
eldain@feddit.nl 8 months ago
I too want to open a business where both customers and suppliers pay me. Do you know any more gullible sectors? Academics are pretty extorted already it seems.
Fermion@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Real estate seems to be a popular place for seemingly unnecessary middlemen.
KingGordon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just here to say fuck Elsevier.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 8 months ago
TIL: In the PotC universe, The legs of the pier are
noclipunderwater.
Bacano@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As much as I’m against parasitic practices, I wonder how the inevitable corruption of money would (further) skew research if academia was well paid for their papers.
thevoidzero@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We’re not saying pay the authors a bunch, we’re saying make the papers free to read. Or at least don’t charge authors and readers both, while keeping all the money for yourself.
Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And I wonder how, not having the pressure to “succeed” research (to gain further grants), would increase the quality of said research.
Gustephan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I quit a physics phd path just under a decade ago because my experimental results were turning up negative and the uni I was at pushed me to doctor my results so we would keep getting funded. I also wonder about this
TheChemist@hexbear.net 8 months ago
I heard that, you are legally allowed to Email the Academic Authors, and request said articles, which they are allowed to provide for free.
cassowary@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Absolutely. Plus scientists love when people want to actually read their work so you make their day too!
shasta@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Why are we looking at revenue? We don’t know the operating costs. What are the profit margins?
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 8 months ago
According to Wikipedia, in 2022 Elsevier’s revenue was 2.909 billion pounds and their net income was 2.021 billion pounds.
Not going to bother looking up the rest.
DR_Hero@programming.dev 8 months ago
There’s a much more accurate stat… and it’s disgusting
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
That seems like a very lucrative market to interrupt
Unboxious@ani.social 8 months ago
Okay, but what are the profits? That’s what actually matters here.
wren@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I’ve only ever published in open access journals (partially because I’ve only got 3 papers out, but also out of preference) is it just prestige that makes people go with pay-to-view journals? or are there other factors?
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I did get paid for reviewing for a Springer journal though. Next to nothing, but it’s not zero.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s money better spent on shutting down libraries.
D61@hexbear.net 8 months ago
Before Roblox there was this…
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Remember folks, if you pirate scientific papers you’re stealing from the hard working…wait a minute…
Renacles@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You wouldn’t download a car
casmael@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I would, actually
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lol you wouldn’t download knowledge.