Submitted 3 months ago by BadmanDan@lemmy.world to [deleted]
Idk, when you look at the entire picture, does Trump not have the far easier path to 270 this year? He only has to win 2 states (PA & GA) and that’s it, he wins. Kamala has to win at the minimum 3, and if she loses PA, it becomes even harder for her. Trump could just spend all of his money campaigning in those 2 states and get back in the White House. Yet these odds seem to disagree with me.
Am I trippin?
To “win?” No - not really.
But I don’t think that matters much.
Honestly, I think that Trump and the overt fascists and plutocrats who are backing him fully intend to get him into office or destroy the country trying - that if he doesn’t win legitimately, he’ll “win” through fraud, or through the machinations of the brazenly corrupt and compromised supreme court, or through violent revolution.
His backers - the Heritage Foundation and the rest of the fascists and Musk and Thiel and the rest of the plutocrats and so on - don’t just want to try to get him into office - they want to destroy American liberty and democracy. It’s not even so much about him specifically - he’s just the right combination of charismatic and shallow that they see him as their opportunity to impose the autocracy they want. And I don’t think they’re going to let anything stand in their way. So whether or not he actually wins the election isn’t even really relevant, other than to the degree that that will determine what other strategies they might have to, and will, implement.
He wasn’t even able to do that when he had the full power of the presidency at his disposal. The reality is that he has a lot of grandiose plans that far exceed his competence.
While he had fake electors last time, they weren’t as widespread as they’ve become over the last 4 years. He also didn’t have the coordination of the Heritage Foundation either like he does now. He also didn’t have a House of Representatives willing to steal the election last time.
He has a lot going for his machinations this time.
He doesn’t need to do it this time - he has a veritable army of fascists, a brazenly corrupt and compromised supreme court and a squad of billionaire plutocrats to do it all on his behalf, and not coincidentally they have a detailed blueprint in Project 2025 that tells them exactly what to do, step by step, to transform the US into a christofascist/plutocratic autocracy.
All Trump has to do this time around is just carry on being Trump, while all those other people do all the dirty work.
You trippin
But how?
Normally by smoking something jazzy
I think Kamala has energized the younger voters and female voters. Trump doesn’t have much to offer either.
I think Kamala has much better odds than Biden did this time around. The assassination attempt was crazy and solidified his supporters.
I think it’s a closer race than either side thinks
Looking from half-way around the world, Trump wining seemed very likely until Kamala became the candidate. And now no result seems more likely than the other.
Same, it feels like there’s no way trump wins again now.
I think/hope the red states become more purple this go around. Might even flip a few small ones by the time November comes 🤞
I saw the rumor that Trump’s internal polling showed him below 50% in Ohio, if true, that would be huge for Harris
My corner of TN is very red. I noticed the other day, whereas in 2020 the trump signs were all over, none are out now. Don’t see the shirts. And I’ve found a lot of blue friends here in the last year.
Anyone else feel like it’s weird how many are using the last name for Trump but the first name for Harris? What’s the deal with that?
They always do that with women for some reason. It made sense for Hillary, since her husband was already President Clinton. It doesn’t make any sense for Harris
Who was getting confused which Clinton was running in 2016.
If someone was switching between both in the same context, then it would either be Mr. Clinton and Mrs. Clinton, or Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
There doesn’t seem to be a pattern for whatever name politicians become known by colloquially, except last name is most common. Hillary makes sense to distinguish her from Bill, but I remember people generally using her first and last. Kamala is usually Kamala, but you see Harris too. Trump is Trump, but you’ll see people use his first name at times (like r/TheDonald). Biden is still referred to as Joe occasionally. Bernie was much more common than Sanders. For supreme court justices, it’s usually last name or first and last. I’ve never seen anyone refer to AOC as just Alexandria. Obama is Obama, but I’ve seen Barack in really informal contexts. Nancy Pelosi is first and last. Elizabeth Warren is either first and last or just last.
Kamala just rolls off the keyboard better
Please explain.
Kamala is a cooler name
Yes. Same as when Hilary Clinton ran. It was Hilary, not Clinton.
Just social disrespect for women.
H. Clinton actually used “Hillary!” in her campaign materials, plus sometimes she had to be distinguished from Bill. So she was a special case. I agree with you about Harris and I noticed that myself and wondered about it. I don’t remember it happening with Warren, Gabbard, Haley, Palin, or other female Presidential or VP contenders that I can think of offhand.
I hear female supporters refer to her as Kamala. I think it might have more to do with the uniqueness of the name. I don’t know of anyone who referred to Sarah Palin as Sarah.
For Hillary it made sense since her husband was already widely known as Clinton.
We call people what they put on their signs.
Bernie.
Probably because Kamala is easier than Donald and Trump is easier than Harris.
That assumes that the rest of the states shake out as expected. NC and Ohio have been polling a lot closer than expected. Winning one of those would offset a loss in PA or GA.
There’s a reason why we still hold the actual election, and don’t base the winner just on polls.
Polymarket currently has Harris ahead at 52-45 plus minor candidates. Yeah I think that favors her too much. Trump has been off the rails (I mean more than usual) lately but he could get it together. Also, Harris is a blank slate upon whom many place unfounded hopes.
The TV debates will probably be more significant than usual this year. IDK who they will favor. We shall see.
I personally believe trump will be president. It’s just a given at this point. Will I vote against him? Yes.
But I am a realist. It’s just what is going to happen.
I am 100% voting for Kamala, fuck MAGA. But like you said, if we’re being realistic, thanks to the Electoral College and Protest Votes. Trump’s path to 270 is far easier.
I think the odds at the moment still favor Trump but Harris has run a solid campaign so far. We’re still in “it’s anyone’s game” territory but Trump is constantly losing ground.
A poll recently showed that more Americans trust Harris with the economy and that’s a really bad sign for Trump.
I want Harris if for nothing else than to see Trump absolutely implode. :)
I don’t trust this. Just go and tell everyone around you to vote.
*than
You make it sound like T winning PA would be easy
I could just as easily say H winning Texas would put it in the bag for her
PA is a toss up, Texas isnt
One can hope enough people are sick of the crazies there too.
Yet.
What might an SRO Harris/Walz rally at Texas Stadium accomplish?
You may well be right and that’s why it’s vital not to be complacent. Donate, volunteer, vote. Get out there and make a Harris win happen!
Harris has to win 3 states, PA, GA, and WI. Losing any one of those three throws it to Trump.
It is going to be a nail biter!
Losing any one of those three throws it to Trump.
Unless she win NC or OH. She’s doing really well in both.
I think this is going to be a giant blowout win for Kamala. But, please, no one get cocky! Everyone has to actually vote!
I don’t see NC, OH, AZ, NV, or GA going to Harris. It’s wishful thinking, but I wouldn’t count on any of them.
That’s what I’m saying, I think MI will go to Harris, but if she loses PA, Trump just needs NV & AZ and he’s going back to the White House.
While if Harris loses PA, she HAS to win GA, there’s no path to victory for her without GA in this scenario.
MI will be complicated because of the Muslim vote and Gaza.
Nate Silver still has the EVs for Trump. Like he did in 2016. I’m making no illusions of the future. All my plans assume a Trump victory.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 months ago
37% of Americans can’t afford to pay a $400 bill without taking on further debt, and that means 37% of Americans can’t afford to miss a day of work to vote.
It really could go either way.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 months ago
It’s such a strange concept that it isn’t a national holiday to enable everyone to vote.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s not strange; they don’t want the poorest and lower class people to be able to vote.
BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
But then Black people might vote. America still hasn’t forgiven Black people for existing.
distantsounds@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If the goal was to have everyone vote, it wouldn’t be Tuesday and everyone would automatically be registered with mail-in being an option.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Or at least a legal requirement for employers to allow time off during employees shifts to vote.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sadly, it’s not strange at all. We’re a capitalist country. This is what our votes support every two years.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 months ago
In France it’s always on a Sunday, because guess what: most people don’t work on Sunday
Also if you do work on Sunday your boss is legally bound to allow you to go vote because of course we do, it’s a democracy ffs
Atin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Or at least on a weekend.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 months ago