Is it normal to be disgruntled?

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Tekkip20@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Is it normal to be disgruntled after a layoff?

I got laid off my IT role for a biggish MSP firm, they just called some people to say they had difficult measures to take, I was one of those people…

So a month and so later, I’m still searching and I just feel bitter and jaded, I’m not getting calls back.

Is it perfectly normal for me to feel this way about companies? I’m still confident I can try to get back into it from this setback but I just feel these firms no matter what industry they are, are utterly void of any camaderie.

Am I going insane?

(TLDR - Bitter Bri’ish guy who’s just asking if being infuriated with this isn’t like a mental disease)

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Totally sane. Most layoffs are an effort to boost stock prices because some executives made a dumb fucking decision.

Being laid off is absolutely not a comment on your worth as an employee or a human being. You should give companies as much of your blood sweat and tears as they’d give you - none. With some extremely rare exceptions being an employee is just a transaction.

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- Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Most layoffs are an effort to boost stock prices because some executives made a dumb fucking decision.
  
  …what? You want to elaborate on that a bit?
  
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  - adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Executives need to present company forecasts to shareholders at annual business meetings. If they mess up the forecast so the business plan doesn’t match the reality, they scramble to make the books balance somehow — the easiest place to do this is by cutting staff so that expenditures line up with earnings. Modern accounting means that even though they still have payouts to employees, they can count this in a separate loss bucket so that the bottom line item that investors watch still comes out where they “predicted” it would, which props up the stock price, making investors happy and preventing them from replacing the executives.
    
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Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Mate I’d be worried if you were anything but disgruntled. Companies are shit, layoffs are shit, feeling like shit after being through shit is pretty normal.

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Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

are utterly void of any camaderie

Contrary to what all these companies claim in their internal propaganda, they are not your friends, they are not your family, and you are not even a person to them - you are just a human resource. Your work shouldn’t be your life or your way to “fulfill yourself” or “grow” (whatever the fuck that means). It is a way to obtain money so you can live your actual life. Never feel like you owe anything to a company.

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- Rolando@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  However, the individual friendships you made at the workplace are often real. Stay in touch with people you know, and help each other out.
  
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  - Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes, I agree.
    
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  - folkrav@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This. I’ve been laid off at the beginning of the month as well. Three of the four interview leads I have right now are through references from old colleagues I’ve enjoyed working with and never completely lost contact. All other companies I’ve applied to have either completely ghosted or rejected me pretty damn quickly lol
    
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- Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yup. At one point, I was loyal to a fault. Always in early, staying late, helping out when no one else would. Turns out none of that is as important as sales, so they taught the salesmen my job, and let me go a month before Christmas.
  
  Haven’t put up with bullshit or given any extra since.
  
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grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yes it’s normal. I got laid off some time ago, and even though I was able to find a better job fairly quickly, I feel like I lost my mojo.

I always knew that a job was a relationship of convenience, but I figured being good at my job, relatively cheap, and well liked, would protect me from this sort of action.

It’s demoralising to realise just how shallow the relationship is.

Anyway good luck on your job search.

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- folkrav@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  We’re up to 5 layoffs in the last decade in between my wife and I. I’m obviously extremely biased towards “job security” being a freaking joke lol
  
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Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It is normal but you may want to keep it in check. It can easily spiral down into depression and you won’t notice.

Source: personal experience, 1yr+ unemployed, now seeing a therapist

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Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is no camaderie in capitalism.

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dan1101@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Completely normal to be bitter. You were doing your job and had your life in order, then your company disrupted all that by laying you off.

But that’s the past and now you need to put on a positive face and work smart and hard to find another job. Don’t let your bitterness cloud your attitude.

Word of mouth is often a good way to find positions, ask friends and acquaintances if they know of any positions.

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twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah it’s normal. It will pass, this is temporary. Good luck in your search, the right thing is coming for you

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Demonmariner@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I was never gruntled in the first place.

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eezeebee@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve worked somewhere that they laid of some of the best employees in the department, simply because they were higher seniority and “made too much money” and had to cut costs. There were plenty of better candidates to let go, if the focus had been productivity, but it wasn’t. They just wanted a short-term solution to balance the books.

So a month and so later, I’m still searching and I just feel bitter and jaded, I’m not getting calls back. The past few months I have put in some applications for jobs I am qualified or slightly over-qualified for, and same thing - 0 calls back. Best I’ve had is a rare rejection email.

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Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yes.

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Squirrel@thelemmy.club ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There’s little in the world to be anything but disgruntled about.

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Lexam@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Disgruntled yes. Gruntled, not so much.

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Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yes, I would say that is a fairly typical reaction.

Try to get some fresh air, or go out with friends, or whatever, clear your head a little bit from time to time. There’s only so much that can be done at once, and it’s good to try and get a break from dwelling on it too much. Changing your immediate scenery for a short span can aid in this.

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delicious_justice@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Absolutely. I worked my way out of my existential lay-off crisis by volunteering. It got my mind re-focused on cool stuff, which in turn lead to a much better job.

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Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah, that’s totally normal.

No matter how much you think of a job as just a commercial transaction between you and your employer it’s hard not to have a visceral, emotional reaction to being told ‘we don’t need you’.

I don’t know your financial situation, obviously, but my advice would be to try and take a bit of time out to clear your head of the old job and the layoff before you really get stuck in to finding your next gig. If you can afford to step back for a bit and clear the understandable negativity you’re currently experiencing then you’ll be far better set up for job hunting than if you just try and push through while you’re still in that negative mental space.

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Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is what I was taught.

You’ve got 24 hours in a day. The time you spend being angry is time you’re not doing something constructive.

If being upset actually helps motivate you, then revel in it.

If it hinders you, realize that being productive is the best way to screw the ones who fired you.

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HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It really depends. I did not at all when funding ran out from a university position. The lab tried its hardest to get funding and keep the positions. Part of that though is they had rules and regs such that I got termination contracts for some years before the end. They don't mean termination per se but they basically mean they do not not have funding to do it again next year. My lab eeked out a few more years by managing to get some small grants and projects and such before the end. Also though the university pays poorly so I basically started making better money once I had a job again. Had another one where the guy who owned the place made poor decisions and needed a scape goat to bs to his clients about. ie he could not say he was cheap and directed me to reformat and install laptops under assumptions the former employees backed up properly. Pretty bitter on that one. One was for covid and like the company was literally doing the keep the lights on thing so totally understandable and of course there was gov action to soften things. Most of my other jobs were straight up contracting so it was expected. So I only have one bitter situation and even then its more like. F that guy and I hope he gets whats coming to him.

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