I wonder if in hindsight, she feels like she’s made the right decision…
Versus how many fatal man attacks? Not even gonna look it up 🤷
Dunno how this is conclusiv- ohhhh right, confirmation bias. Forgot about that. grumbles noisily
The men vs. bear saga reaches the inevitable conclusion
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RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social 5 months ago
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Well, if we’re going to be pedantic, then this is not a valid comparison to make because it ignores the number of total encounters with bears and men, and the time spent with each.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If we want to get really pedantic we have to look at stats specifically for cases where a woman was in the woods, with no other entity besides a man or a bear. With it conveniently being impossible to compile that information, I’d bet the ratio of assaults per encounter would be higher with the men than the bears.
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Statistically insignificant compared to how many women are killed yearly by men.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s not how statistics work. You’d need to compare the rate of encounters between women and bears vs women and men.
That’s a fun central underpinning of the “man vs bear” thing: a lot of people are really really stupid. If 3 women a year encounter bears, and one of them gets mauled, and 3 million women a year encounter men, and two of them get raped, some idiots will claim that men are more dangerous than bears.
klemptor@startrek.website 5 months ago
Let’s be real though. If 3 million women a year encountered men and only 2 got raped, we’d never have come up with the man-vs.-bear scenario in the first place.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well, see if you can find the bear mauling rate. The rape rate in the US was 40 per 100k. Or to line up with your number, 1,200 per 3 million.
Or, even better, you could comprehend that that’s not the point at all.
SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
The fact is that it’s hard to get the actual statistic. To truly make the comparison 1-to-1, we need to count how often they are alone in the woods with a bear and how often they are alone with a man. My two cents: if you have been comping enough in bear country then you know that bears are kinda always around and they just don’t bother anyone.
BurnSquirrel@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also insignificant to the amount of women killed by other women, or the amount of women that fall down the stairs and break their neck. It being a single death from a bear attack with bear encounters being rare in the first place makes this compariosn meaningless.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I bet the bear didn’t rape her first
terry_jerry@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Bear, cat calling from behind a rock,‘’ Let me get in them guts guh’’
Shou@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Or sold her into prostitution for years first.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I highly doubt it was the first fatal bear attack in California
Other sources I’ve found specify that it was the first fatal black bear attack, and that it happened before the man vs bear debate XD
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Would you rather encounter a black bear or a black… nevermind.
shalafi@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Given that Grizzlies are extinct in California, yeah.
What about Brown Bears though?
ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think brown bears and grizzlies are the same. If I remember right, they just live in different places.
Emmy@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Allonzee@lemmy.world 5 months ago
psmgx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh it’s this stupid meme again
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t get it
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There was a video (or videos?) asking whether women would rather meet a bear while alone in the woods or a strange man and a lot of women in the video said the bear. The point was to illustrate how women feel unsafe around strange men because even if they don’t try to physically assault them, many of them expect sexual gratification as a transaction for helping them and get abusive when that doesn’t happen.
But then a bunch of people didn’t get it, and a few loud ones just hate women and turned it into a debate that it wasn’t ever meant to be.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh god not again
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
The memes will continue until morale improves
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 5 months ago
Weird how no one asks what the woman was wearing.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 months ago
Looking back, the bacon suit might have been a mistake.
irreticent@lemmy.world 5 months ago
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
You joke, but it does appear that the presence of food was likely what attracted the bear in the first place.
That said, she was also 71 and this happened in her home in a tiny town in the Sierra Nevada where bear sightings are not at all uncommon. No word on how she stored her food or whether she kept her doors locked at night.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 5 months ago
Why TF are you bringing this sht up again, we already forgot it and pass to less idiotic things.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
The memes will continue until morale improves
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah ol Dan’l been dead lo, these last 300 years now. Pass the word
MamboGator@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I never understood this debate. Of course a woman would feel safer with a large gay man at her side.
Speculater@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think what bothered most men wasn’t that he was large, but that a woman would feel safer with any gay man that was with them.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m bi and only chubby… Where do I fall in this?
NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 5 months ago
I mean, as a dude, I damn sure would feel safest around lesbians if I was worried about that.
Idk what like the girl animal “equivalent” of a bear would be, except one that I am not quite sure if it is offensive or not.
Fucking queer is super accepted now, but then I watch my daughter, who has dated women before, and is not shy or ashamed, and I do believe is still fine with doing so in the future, call her brother or someone on YouTube gay as an insult.
Sanguine_Sasquatch@lemmy.world 5 months ago
As a sasquatch, I’d feel safer around a gay man
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s because it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point.
People who didn’t get it and people who did get it but didn’t like it (i.e. misogynists) turned it into a debate. The latter also proved that point with the large number of rape and death threats.
The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Yeah, god forbid people get angry when others make sexist remarks! They must be real misogynists for not liking sexism!
If you replaced the “man” with “black man” or “black person”, or if someone said this with immigrants, it wouldn’t need to be explained to you or anyone why this is a pretty fucked up thing to say, but for some reason when it’s just “man” it’s okay and anyone who disagrees is a misogynist, according to you. If I made a general frustrated remark about women, plenty of people would take issue with it, and I don’t think you’d would be saying “it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point”, would you?
How about just stop using sexist rhetoric? There are a lot of people on your side who would agree with you if you just dropped the needlessly sexist and divisive rhetoric.
And before you get there - and if not you then I’m sure someone will think of saying it - it’s true that the world and system we live in isn’t as hostile to men as women, but progressive spaces definitely tend to be that way. And believe it or not, that actually has an effect with pushing younger men into the arms of the alt right; you can insult them and just call them fascists if you like, but that doesn’t change the reality that young hormonal men going into progressive spaces and seeing this kind of rhetoric will feel excluded, pushed out, and like the world is against them.