Comment on american culture

djsoren19@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Lemming421@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Shakespeare invented literature, so clearly there’s no value in teaching anything from before him…

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You haven’t experienced Shakespear unless you read it in the original klingon.

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    • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      taH pagh taHbe’!

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      • pookie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        ghu’ qaS wa’DIch’e’, qar’a’!

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  • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Fair point.

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• ScrollerBall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Well Greece wasn’t ever a British colony, so they didn’t have as many opportunities to steal artifacts and culture as they did with, say, Egypt.

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  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Category:Ancient_Greek_and_Rom…

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  • slartibartfast@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I’m sure they had ample opportunity to steal Greek artefacts from when Greeks invaded Egypt and India.

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  • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Also see: the Ionian Islands from 1815 to 1862

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• stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’ve heard of Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, does that count?

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  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    That translation has fallen out of favor with contemporary scholars but you get the gist.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Is it even taught in the US? 🤔

  I didn’t read it for school. I just liked reading and had this gnarly book featuring all the greatest hits of Greek mythology growing up.

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  • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I read it for school

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Literally a part of a classical education. As in Classical.

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    • Remorhaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      We had to do skits. Broke it down by chapters and each group did like a page or two. I was the son in the scene where he’s working with his dad in disguise right when Odysseus returns home and sees all the other guys trying to bang his wife

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      • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That we did do; but for The Lion in Winter. I was Geoffrey.

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  • skooma_king@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Definitely was in the rural, redneck school I went to.

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  • austinfloyd@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Went to a mediocre high school in the US, and I had an English/writing course where the only materials were the Aeneid, Illiad, Odyssey, and Mythology by Edith Hamilton.

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    • Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That seems above average, but I don’t have too much to compare it to. I read all of this when I took Latin as my language classes. And the odyssey for fun.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    My 10th grade English class studied a small section of it, like one self contained story.

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    • MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      This is what we did as well, in AP English. We also did Beowulf. We also had to read the first fucking Harry Potter book because the teacher liked Harry Potter. Imagine a group of the highest achieving 17 and 18 year olds out of 600 students their age writing papers about a book written for 10 year olds.

      Such a waste of time. We got college credit for this bullshit. I’m still mad about it.

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      • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I feel like there’s a way to do it in a way that doesn’t suck - an examination of the book WRT the hero’s journey, picking out elements borrowed from English literary tradition to see how they’re deployed v. original texts, etc.

        Real talk though, I feel it comes from a place of not knowing how to appeal to young people. I ran into the very same thing once when asked about course ideas for first year students coming directly from high school. I had no idea (still don’t) what would appeal to kids, so I thought a course that used Harry Potter as a keystone text (everybody being familiar, using it as a bridge to more traditional lit) could work. But as I said the words I knew 18 year old me would’ve hated that, sooo…

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  • GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I read both The Illiad and a shortened version of The Odyssey in school.

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• arudesalad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Just looked it up, the Odyssey can be taught in the UK but it is rarely chosen because Shakespeare is easier to teach and students who pick Shakespeare get better grades on average.

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  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    We don’t like to brag about it but we fought the Brits in the War of 1812, one of the things we took from England was Greek literature. In turn, we Americans lost the definition of jams vs jelly and the superior spelling of “colour”.

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    • ZeffSyde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I rebel against this fact by being American and using the spelling of “Grey” for the color, autocorrect be damned.

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  • metaldream@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Odd that it’s a choice between them. We learned Shakespeare and Homer where I am in the US.

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    • arudesalad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      In the UK secondary students study 3 bits of literature for the exam, modern (20th century+), victorian and classical which is everything before then, I think that’s how it works but that’s just from memory

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• casmael@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  ……………I did the odyssey at various points man I think the guy in the tweet is just Polyphemus or smthn like ‘I don’t know who this nobody guy is, ain’t never heard of no odyssey before bro’

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• funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Not in secondary school but I did the Illiad, the Anaed, the Odyssey and Ovids Metamorphoses in 6th form college.

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• wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I did study it at school but had to take Classical Civilisation for one of my GCSE options. Our default in English Literature was a Shakespeare work as previously mentioned (Merchant of Venice for me). I also recall studying An Inspector Calls?

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