Halloween fancy dress?
Dude… give me a break.
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yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 days agoThat video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?
Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.
What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”
What you actually saw “man gets punched”
Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…
But you are reaching.
There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.
We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.
I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?
I guess we know where your sympathies land
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
The one that was posted a clear hour after? Im not a time traveller man
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 4 days ago
The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:
- Harassed a black man on a bus.
- Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
- Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing.
Source 1
- Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
- The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear.
Source 2
For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.
Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
It did not take very long and was easy.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 4 days ago
Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Consider:
Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.
There is a crowd of people
No one is stopping or diffusing the situation
No one is stopping over the check on the fallen
Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band
then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.
There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.
porcoesphino@mander.xyz 4 days ago
Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org 4 days ago
this is clipped. in a longer version he’s talking shit a second before he says “wait hold on now”
porcoesphino@mander.xyz 4 days ago
Oh yeah, I can get behind this gif a lot more
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Bait used to be believable SMH my head…
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Go find out then
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.
Maestro@fedia.io 4 days ago
Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn't walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
If true, then the person you know is a loser and someone should beat the shit out of them.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
YOU NEVER COSPLAY AS A NAZI…
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Correction in regards to 2: When you’re in the “are we the baddies”-sketch. In fact, I’d say David Mitchell has a free pass, as he always manages to portray the insecurity required to become a nazi.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 4 days ago
Mr Chaplain also does a great job with it
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they’re an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.
They’ll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they’re not going to just walk around in that costume, they’re going to be on or around a set, which also gives passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they’re just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Unless you’re cosplaying a dead Nazi
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.
Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.
It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Kinda weird dude…
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Well aware but kitbashed great value brand versions of historical uniforms is just kinda a weird side effect of me collecting military surplus and military antiques.
quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 days ago
So we’re not allowed to make movies that show the horrific history of Nazi Germany?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like Nazis is too damn high. I’m seeing it everywhere on here lately.
“I don’t know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he’s an actor in a movie?”
Really?
quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 days ago
Oh, I’m not defending a specific instance. I’m merely pointing out that there does exist a time and place where people should be allowed to dress as despicable characters from history
angrystego@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Don’t even engage with such a bullshit attempt at deflecting. Look, they’ve already got you talking about a bullshit hypothetical that they literally just made up whole cloth
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 days ago
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