I have no clue what Hollow Knight is other than than individual people being pumped for this silksong thing. No advertising. No “hype train”.
Here’s hoping success stories like this shake some sense into the AAA gaming industry.
Hot damn, not bad
But yeah every major studio sees these games and thinks underpaying devs, union busting, and AI garbage are gonna get them there somehow.
Meanwhile Steam keeps making self-made millionaires who busted ass on a passion project people adore for years.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
viral.vegabond@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Hollow Knight is amazing. If you're into platformers or metroidvanias it's a must play.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I certainly was when I was younger… Good ole Game Boy Color. Glad to see older genre’s are still going strong!
Minnels@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Wait… Older genres? Never thought of it that way but it is true that there are some new ones. When is a genre old? 20 years, 30 years?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
How long until it gets good? I spent about 90 minutes on it last week, because the Silksong hype was rolling hard and I didnt want to get left behind, but it just felt like fumbling around and nothing really happening.
Is it just not for me or did I not reach the good bits yet?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
If you don’t like Hollow Knight by the time you get to the big tower in the center of the city, you aren’t going to like HK. Been a minute, but by then you should have one or two mobility skills and have fought 2 or 3 bosses.
The game REALLY opens up when you get even more mobility skills and has some of the best traversal in my opinion. And the bosses… I think a lot of the bosses are samey and meh (unless you fight the hard modes) but the “DLC” areas are REAL good.
But yeah. If you aren’t vibing by the time you are climbing the tower then you just don’t like it. And that is perfectly fine.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It also doesn’t click for me at first but when it click it click. I have to spend i think about 1 or 2 hours playing it not enjoying it, and then the game just suck me in till i wander every corner of it, played it twice to get a good ending.
But if it doesn’t click, i think it just isn’t for you.
i_am_tired_boss@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
After the first boss fight. The game then removes your training wheels and you do whatever you want, in whatever order you want.
It tough at the beginning until you get the hang of it, like playing Doom on Nightmare mode.
ElectricWaterfall@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I’m enjoying following a walkthrough just to know where to go.
crank0271@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Also, it’s punishingly difficult
lunarul@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wasn’t really into metroidvanias, but I still loved Hollow Knight and put hundreds of hours into it.
Zorque@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The hype for silken has been going so long that it’s become a meme🤡. Just because it’s not as obvious anymore doesn’t mean it no longer exists.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Unless someone brings it up during their next golf game, the executive class will literally never hear about this game.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I appreciate the class conscious sentiment… but this game has 500k players right now. So ~$10,000,000 in sales in 24 hours… for a game that probably had a budget under 200k.
Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I doubt it was under $200k. Paying 3 devs for 7 years is likely $75-100k each per year, or around $700k on just their salaries, which they paid with their sales from HK. Then they had to pay the composer, localizers, bug testers, etc etc. it’s definitely still low budget, but not as much as the first one.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s funny that Hollow Knight is also in top 20 on Steam right now with 50k players.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
There’s definitely a “hype train” and I’m not sure how you’re involved in the community at all and managed to miss it haha
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Just trying to say nice things about the game you like eh
As I said I know nothing.
Hype trains by my definition are more like what you see with Call of Duty or AAA games… where it’s fucking everywhere.
The only thing I’m seeing is organic(afaict) hollow night posts from real fans.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I don’t even like the game…or really any of this style of games where you run back and forth over the same terrain over and over and over again for hours looking for a hole you haven’t been through yet.
But I do appreciate what is essentially a relic of the past: A game that is simple, beautiful (especially on OLED), inexpensive, can run on anything, runs completely offline, and doesn’t contain any ads or microtransactions or rootkits or accounts or spyware or invasive DRM. You literally just pay for the game and get the game, which is so insanely uncommon these days for games of this caliber.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I mean, yes, every studio wants to hit the jackpot and release a solid game that becomes a Movement that can fund about 8 years of development turning a stretch goal DLC into a full game.
Like, I get the intent. But all you did was say “devs should make good games”.
Zorque@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The difference is that devs arent the ones in control in most AAA studios.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Is it?
We have PLENTY of examples of why “made good video game” does not equate to “good at negotiating business contracts and having an HR team”. Blizzard being a “great” example of that.
Also: I know the meaning has long since died but Team Cherry are NOT a “AAA” studio. They are a small indie team with officially less than ten headcount (but that tends to not include contractors). They aren’t going to make a GTA or Call of Duty.
Zorque@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I dont understand what you’re trying to argue. The person you responded to made a point about Major studios trying to make a hit… but focusing on business principles over actual game production.
You responded by boiling it down to “Devs should make better games” which wasn’t close to approaching the point they were making.
My point was that devs are not always the ones in control, and trying to simplify a point about business majors running studios into the ground is somehow about the development team being bad is missing the point by a parser.
No one said Team Cherry was a AAA studio. At this point of the comment chain, no one had said anything about them at all until you brought it up. No one is trying to disparage your fanboyism.
warm@kbin.earth 3 weeks ago
Steam just lends itself to indie games more, which is good. It could do better, but overall there's a lot of great games that get the recognition they deserve. Triple A finds most of it's success on consoles, where they can easily market it on the front page of the console, rather than just on the store.
PC is (unfortunately?) really getting mainstream now, so we are starting to see a lot morals thrown out the window by consumers just to play the latest AAA slop too.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I heard him, the DF brothers and Concerned Ape are all collaborating on a line of pregrammer desks.
JTskulk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Busted ass means farting lol, I think you meant busted their ass.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Because aaa developers are in the business of the business of making games. As in financing, shuffling money, stock appreciation, selling assets at opportune times, etc… They are no longer interested in making games, they’re trying to make infinite money through an established ecosystem.