Since when do facts count as shitposts?
And I will die on this hill.
Submitted 1 year ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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troglodytis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s an educational shitpost for people who think Luke Combs is the height of musical talent.
dojan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this is the creme de la creme of shitposts.
OpenStars@kbin.social 1 year ago
Since when have they not? (Though the reverse is not true.)
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The idea that population numbers are all it takes is so stupid. Mozart is not just one guy who was really good at writing music. I mean, obviously, he literally was, but he only existed and wrote what he did in the way he did because of not only his own “genius” but also the circumstances he was raised in, his education, the musical traditions that he drew from, the fact that he was wealthy and had time… Etc etc.
Adding more people living in poverty, with poor education, no connection to musical or artistic tradition, and no time… Will not add more Mozarts.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops"
- Stephen Jay Gould
linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most of the super famous classical composers were born with in 90 years of each other. On one hand thay were brilliant musicians, on the other hand It was also this thing that was happening right then.
I’m fairly certain if the circumstances were different we still have a bunch of people doing the same work.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Those composers are famous because they were pioneers in the development of music and their work has been used to educate musicians in virtually all countries during the last century. There are composers creating similarly valuable music today, sometimes working in cinema or video games, and composers doing pioneering work, usually in experimental music. They aren’t as famous because their work isn’t being used worldwide to educate musicians, but they might be by 2123, provided society hasn’t collapsed.
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s part of what I’m getting at. The musical culture at the time arose through the work of many, many composers, and through the listeners who talked about it etc. Cultural development is complex and requires much more than just a handful of geniuses.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Mozart wasn’t wealthy, his customers (patrons) were. His father trained him in the family trade from birth and put him to work at a young age.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
dojan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s probably quite a few that are really only known to their immediate friends, families, and communities.
There are a lot of really talented people out there, who will remain mostly anonymous. It’s probably nicer for most to not be in the limelight, though it sucks for the rest of us who will never know.
Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 1 year ago
I bet there are a ton of Mozarts who have to work shitty jobs just to exist and will never fully develop their skills due to economic inequality. If we give everyone UBI, at least some of them would develop fully.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are exceptions, but in general, in the modern music world, beauty trumps talent. You could be a great musician, but if you don’t look pretty on YouTube, the A&R people think no one wants to hear you.
Jaytreeman@kbin.social 1 year ago
We can add Frank Zappa to the list.
'watch out where the Huskies go 'FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would say that Zappa didn’t really fit criterion 3 like Al does.
Not to take anything away from his genius. But not every musical genius needs to be a Mozart.
Beardsley@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. dun. dun. dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dundundun dun dun dun dun dun dun.
A.I.D.S.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are well over thousands who have skills beyond Mozart today. The few who become well known are determined by very different things, having skills like Mozart is almost irrelevant. He’s also just sort of the token “music talent” example for people who don’t listen to music, often goes with the idea “classical music” is when music peaked.
The “gifted piano prodigy” I grew up with is a burnout in his 30s. There’s an unassuming data analyst I work with who likely exceeds his skill and just teaches on the side. My local symphony had to cancel this season due to lack of sales. A band at the jazz school my brother attended (BBNG) got sampled by a rapper and were a breakthrough success. This is sorta what it looks like for the Mozarts of today.
Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Bad Bad Not Good? I remember listening to them on Sound Cloud
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah they were all students at Humber, in the Toronto area. Obviously all skilled musicians, but there’s a drummer Larnell Lewis who’s a student mentor there, my brother was lucky enough to have him, and while lesser known he’s a drummer’s drummer and insanely skilled. A “Mozart” of drums you could say. While he’s successful and tours with Snarky Puppy and the like, it’s not like he’s a household name or anything. There’s so much talent out there.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m confused, Mozart is prodigious as a composer, and there are very few names like that.
Naturally when people knowing what they are talking about say that, they don’t mean that every modern composer should try and imitate Mozart.
BTW, about modern music - imitating something between Holst, Vaughan-Williams and maybe somebody else has been the mainstream approach to writing movie soundtracks for a few decades already.
Irrelevant - I wouldn’t say so. Just the field is wider, so people usually shape their interest in music more variably.
And then you start talking about somebody being a “prodigy” when performing on specific instruments, which is really a different thing.
There are today’s composers not widely known and overshadowed by pop music (which could mostly as well be AI-generated, it’s all the same) or somebody like Einaudi (who is, sorry, not of Mozart’s grade).
Tracker music, generative (not as in LLM-generated) music, various experiments I lack knowledge of music theory to understand and explain, but approve of how they sound and feel.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Weird Al, sure.
But also Jack Black.
art@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You just made Mozart sound cooler to me.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Mozart slaps. I prefer Beethoven and Chopin, but Mozart got some skills.
pelotron@midwest.social 1 year ago
Jacob Collier as another serious answer.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean it’s not wrong. Kind of incredible really.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Really, the only way he doesn’t fit is that he doesn’t have the massive ego Mozart had. That, and I guess he’s not quite as dirty. Mozart once wrote of piece of music called “Lick My Ass.”
WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
*clears throat in Weird Al fan that’s long gone off the deep end*
And for commercially released stuff, there’s also One More Minute with the line “Now I’m stranded all alone in the gas station of love, and I have to use the self-service pumps!” and the entirety of Wanna B Ur Lovr is just innuendo after innuendo
General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He actually wrote 2 of those. For the sake of education, let’s provide the complete text of one (via deepl.com):
spoiler
Lick my a… right already, lick it nice and clean, lick it clean, lick my a… That’s a greasy desire, only well lubricated with butter, the licking of the roast my daily do. Three lick more than two, go ahead, take the test and lick, lick, lick. Everyone licks his own a…
The phrase, aka the Swabian Salute, had been popularized a few years earlier in Goethe’s quite successful play Götz von Berlichingen. It is the knight’s reply to a demand for surrender. Götz may be more famous for his “iron fist/iron hand”, a prosthetic hand. Two prosthetics that are thought to have belonged to him, may be seen in a museum.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wrong place to post - this is just high quality content
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My votes would have been for Freddy Mercury (definitely) and Eddy Van Halen
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel Damon Albarn might fit this as well, specifically with Gorillaz. They don’t have a style because it always changes on each album, hell their shit post song if the full version of Do Ya Thang where Andre 3000 just says “I’m the shit” for over 7 minutes.
WhisperingEye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Christmas At Ground zero is the best Christmas song ever!
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The video is fun too. Not the best Al video, but an entertaining compilation of 1950s civil defense footage.
1984@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Wouldn’t it also mean a thousands Musks and Trumps?
Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This post has so much BDE.
Incredibly based.
tslnox@reddthat.com 1 year ago
That’s absolutely true.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Peter Schickele my dudes
nycki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
also the modern day equivalent of j.s. bach is toby fox because he loves to repurpose melodies and hide little easter eggs in them
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Weird Al is a talentless hack who just makes lame jokes using other people’s work. Literally doesn’t make any thing ordinal himself. There’s some who are worthy of being the modern day mozart and it’s sure as shit ain’t weird Al.
Carlo@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I love it when my tags are vindicated. Here I had you tagged as ‘tasteless asshat’, and I clearly couldn’t have been more right.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Literally doesn’t make any thing original himself.
Apart from all his original lyrics and musical arrangements, I guess this is true if you, y’know, ignore all the other original music he releases.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If being stupid and ignorant was your life goal, you’ve succeeded wildly.
Saltblue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You couldn’t scroll past this meme without letting us know your music preferences, it must have been hard trying to resist the urge.
nycki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
for all we know, so was mozart
Hikermick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wouldn’t say Weird AL is a talentless hack but you are right, he plays other people’s music and not known for anything he’s written. It’s not fair to compare him to a composer. Weird Al is more like a member of the orchestra.
Furbag@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only thing I could think of with the whole “1000 Mozarts” comment is that there’s a very real chance that if the world Musk and Bezos envision came true, those Mozart level geniuses would be working in an Amazon fulfillment center or a Tesla assembly line, wasting their talents as a slave to capitalism.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s what they actually want anyway. Drones for their business ventures.
theparadox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s actually something that’s likely already happening, assuming they manage to even achieve that.
I guarantee there are tons of potential geniuses born that are never afforded the chance to develop or even demonstrate their abilities… and when they do, aren’t recognized. Either because they are from the dirty poors and/or the Moneybags family can just leverage their resources to ensure their kids get the opportunity or recognition instead.
If you don’t believe in fairness or equality, the potential benefits to yourself by way of improvements to society from geniuses should motivate you.
I’m so tired of the pattern of a well balanced society flourishing and then a few selfish fuckwads hoard resources and starve their society back into a stagnant imbalanced fief.