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How hard could it be?

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨player0@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They don’t actually care about curing cancer, they just use it to justify their existence. If they did cure cancer they’d hide it or figure out how to monetize the fuck out of it.

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    • WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Subscription based chemo…

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    • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, here’s the thing, you can’t cure cancer. Cancer is just a type of a many different things, all requiring very different avenues of potential “cure”.

      To cure cancer, like it’s a singular, is like the DNA equivalent of “finding the cure for mental illness”.

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    • TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve had multiple marketing and finance professors say in class that curing cancers will destroy a multi-trillion dollar industry, the people benefiting don’t want that.

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    • SourDragon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Reminds me of a two sentence horror I read a few years back:

      “I wish there was a cure for cancer!”

      “Why waste your wish on something that already exists?”

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i’m not sure about hiding it, as we have a cure for a type of cervical cancer. i’ve taken it.

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    • jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      did you know those lovely chaps at google have already effectively solved the protein folding problem that is already leading to revolutions in medicine

      oh you didn’t know that. what does that make you

      you like revolutions don’t you? oh only bloody ones. good luck with that

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      • cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wow.

        Does your whole account just exist to make shit comments (like setting up a strawman arguments you can knockdown like above) and getting downvoted?

        What a sad existence.

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  • Sibshops@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This doesn’t even seem true. Sam Altman hardly cares about AI’s effect on the climate.

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  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hope the song 99 luftbaloons is included in their training data.

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    • JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Conservatives don’t have media literacy

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      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Mostly the ones Born in the USA.

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  • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “The race must be won at all costs. When I am god-emperor of the universe, then we can talk about curing cancer or whatever”

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  • Tiral@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not a huge conspiracy guy, but I’m sorry, there is absolutely zero fucking chance there’s no cure for cancer and a dozen other things. They developed vaccinations, antibiotics, ect before the first half of the 19th century. They die this on a bunson burner and petry dishes. These pieces of shit take in BILLIONS in donations a year and have access do gene resequencers, supercomputers, and modeling programs BUT still can’t make a dent over the last 60 years. Absolute bullshit.

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    • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that might be because controlling random genetic mutation is a bit different than exposing the body to a particular sequence…

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    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m sorry, there is absolutely zero fucking chance there’s no cure for cancer and a dozen other things.

      This belief occurs because the general population has a misconception of what cancer really is. Cancer is not a single illness with a single cause. It’s a group of diseases associated with error in different aspects of our DNA that control how cells divide and replicate. These errors can happen by mistakes occurring when cells divide, by environmental factors, or be inherited from your parents.

      A universal cure would be virtually impossible as there is no universal cause or development of cancer itself.

      vaccinations, antibiotics, ect before the first half of the 19th century. They did this on a bunson burners and petry dishes.

      They did not develop these types of treatments from first principles. We developed vaccinations over hundreds of years of observation and trial and error. The treatment was utilized before we really knew how or why they worked.

      These pieces of shit take in BILLIONS in donations a year and have access do gene resequencers, supercomputers, and modeling programs BUT still can’t make a dent over the last 60 years

      This is just absolutely false… In the last 60 years survival rates for breast cancer went from 24% to 77%, bone marrow cancer from 10-20% to 70%, leukemia from 14% to 65%… Nearly any cancer you can think of the survival has doubled to tripled

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  • rmuk@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Excuse me? Explain, if you can, how systematically destroying all life and turning the world into an uninhabitable waste hostile to even the most resilient microbe wouldn’t also eradicate cancer? Checkmate, atheists.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    neither of those are helpful. apparently that one article stating the diagnosis for cancer wasnt that useful, it required radiologists/oncologist to re-review it again and again, plus they had to use quite a large number of scans too, and the possibility of hallucinating is there too. they already are using AI in DENTAL spaces, where they "detect’ defects in a tooth and the patients accused the dentist of the tooth damage not being present when they went with 2nd, 3rd opinion.

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  • Peluri96@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LLMs can’t and won’t cure cancer. That’s why they go into the ai race.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      AI will cure cancer before human scientists.

      Not because it’s smart or will figure it out on its own. It’s just a lot better at aggregating completely disparate pieces of information. A scientist researching in one field doesn’t hold the the whole body of knowledge of other fields. So it takes time to piece the bits together.

      This is why discoveries are often made near simultaneously in different parts of the globe by different poorly. Just enough information gathered in just the right locations seen by people with the appropriate amount of knowledge.

      With AI, that last bit gets faster and it will get the credit.

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      • Peluri96@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think this is highly optimistic. I think AI helps researchers overcome skill gaps, analyze data and keep up to date with current research. But the current work needed to be done to solve the knowledge gap in protein and gene function is just to big. I think overall the problem is to complex, to individual to “cure cancer” as the phrase suggests. Its a helpful and maybe even powerful tool, but not the game changer altman and musk make it seem to be.

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      • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        At this rate AI will cure it by having everyone die off of corporate greed and there being nobody left to have cancer.

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  • AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    With the type of AI they are creating? Probably the best you’ll get is a paper containing a ton of misinformation that sounds correct combined with already established facts/research.

    GenAI can easily regurgitate anything in its training data, but you ask it something about the coding language you just created and it’ll bullshit you because it cannot work without you feeding it training data on said language. It’s very much so like a human in that you ask someone to answer a question about something outside of what they know and they cannot reliably give you a correct answer outside of sheer dumb luck.

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Of course the good human will hopefully comes to not knowing.

      GenAI has an unfortunate tendency to output consistent sounding stuff with high apparent confidence that means nothing at all. Which still can be useful in a context where the “correctness” can be objectively validated like certain software development tasks, but terrible for anything where the output cannot be automatically verified. Have to decide if it helps you research more concretely, the output doesn’t actually matter if it is wrong

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  • Obnomus@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nothing is gonna happen.

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  • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Ending humabity” with “random shinny text generator”… nope… this is just hype for investors

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    pretty sure we can cure cancer without ai. we got some smart cancer researchers

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a solid debate post!

    AI can help a handful of researchers, already advancing cancer treatments, be more productive on path to help enrich big pharma. You or I doing it, are just as likely to be told to inject some bleech and walk it off. But cancer research “token demand” is in the low billions per year, and AI revenue under $1m, never mind any profitability.

    What politicians will pay to build and control skynet and subjugate everyone against their (and friendly Skynet) power/ambitions is in the high $Ts.

    The path to saving humanity is only through power redistribution of UBI/freedom dividends, exterminating political tolerance for national rivlaries, and Israel first loyalties. The only path to avoiding Skynet: …blogspot.com/…/a-global-prosperity-manifesto.htm…

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