The fact that California decided to sue Valve for Counterstrike and not sue EA for FIFA is just blatant targeted harassment. Valve’s right for pointing out that any precedent set here would make Pokemon cards and Baseball cards illegal, both of which are actually advertised directly to kids.
Submitted 23 hours ago by iamthetot@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
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ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org 14 hours ago
valve has a way to transfer money in your steam wallet into something with real world value: hatdware.
you can not trade pokemon cards with nintendo for game cartridges or money, that is the whole distinction, no secondary market required.
Zetta@mander.xyz 8 hours ago
I don’t think that’s how the law is written though. You can only get steam wallet funds for your skins, steam wallet funds explicitly have no cash value. The transaction at that point is done. A video game also has “real world value” you could just as easily say well I get steam wallet funds and than sell gifted games to other people. I don’t think your argument tracks with the law or steams suer agreement.
notaviking@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
So if they did not have any hardware available it would have been fine?
Maybe Steam should change the policy that store credits cannot be used to buy hardware
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yup, just a nice stark reminder that gaming corporations all suck to some degree.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 7 hours ago
Corporations, really.
nialv7@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
yeah valve is pretty indefensible here…
Tattorack@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Come on Valve. Abolish the loot box. Set an example.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 14 hours ago
But then Gabe could only afford 3 eggs yachts instead of 6.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
People get addicted to drugs, alcohol, and gambling too; that doesn’t make it good for them.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
All you need is to talk to some younger gamers to see how bad CS cases can be. My younger sibling (24 now) was surrounded by case gambling growing up and I personally know some kids highschool aged that are keeping the trend going.
Valvd does a lot of good things for gaming but this is really not one of them.
zecg@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Children yearn for the mines-ass argument
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Daily reminder Valve is a scumbag monopoly.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I bet they’d enjoy surprises they didn’t have to pay for even more.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 10 hours ago
Finally, something I can criticise Valve for
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 18 hours ago
But guys, Gaben cares. He made some features in steam launcher just for me!
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
I enjoy it when the bank send me a letter saying i may or may not have missed a payment on some loan. Fun!
rafoix@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Every degenerate gambler I know tells me that it’s fun. Every single one tells me that the reason I don’t like Vegas is because I don’t like having fun.
Katana314@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
There’s so many flashing lights and feedback systems to slot machines now, it’s kind of believable.
Like, you put $15 into Slay the Spire, and you KNOW you’re getting nothing back. But you get a bunch of flashy effects in the playing of it.
With gambling, you throw in $15, you get the flashy effects, AND you might get $30 back. When you look at it that way, it can become more understandable how people fall for it and feel happy to.
rafoix@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
The people telling me how fun it is don’t spend $15. They spend 4,000 in one night. They always have stories about all the money they won but they always seem to work the same job as me instead of being professional gamblers.
dan69@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
It’d be nice to have all those boxes I picked up to be free.
Scio@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I sure love me a surprise loot box when someone I know thoughtfully purchases what’s inside and gifts it to me.
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
enjoy these nuts
FatVegan@leminal.space 17 hours ago
People enjoy good surprises
atrielienz@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
This is one of the few times I’d agree that Valve is the bad guy. I think other companies are also wrong for this. I think they all should be part of this lawsuit and I think legislation needs to have more repercussions for loot box BS.
Zetta@mander.xyz 8 hours ago
They are brining up the good argument that this would essentially make baseball and pokemon cards gambling and illegal as well, I’m not a lawyer but with the way the law is written and from my understanding of it valve had a very good chance of getting this dismissed or wining in court.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Nah. I actually thought the same at first. I literally asked when this was first announced in the news if it wasn’t basically the same as Pokemon cards.
The problem is this. The company producing the Pokemon cards isn’t I hope actively providing a service to trade or resell them for monetary value based on rarity. Secondary markets exist for that but a first party Pokemon company market doesn’t exist for that.
This is where valve fucked up. They allow you to get a rare drop by chance, trade it for points, and use those points to buy something with real world value. It’s a lot more like pachinko than it is Pokemon cards or baseball cards.