People get addicted to drugs, alcohol, and gambling too; that doesn’t make it good for them.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by iamthetot@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
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Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Come on Valve. Abolish the loot box. Set an example.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
But then Gabe could only afford 3 eggs yachts instead of 6.
kureta@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
not only megayachts but the entire megayacht company.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
The fact that California decided to sue Valve for Counterstrike and not sue EA for FIFA is just blatant targeted harassment. Valve’s right for pointing out that any precedent set here would make Pokemon cards and Baseball cards illegal, both of which are actually advertised directly to kids.
Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
valve has a way to transfer money in your steam wallet into something with real world value: hatdware.
you can not trade pokemon cards with nintendo for game cartridges or money, that is the whole distinction, no secondary market required.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How is that different from any promotion like “find the golden ticket and earn an iphone”?
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
I don’t think that’s how the law is written though. You can only get steam wallet funds for your skins, steam wallet funds explicitly have no cash value. The transaction at that point is done. A video game also has “real world value” you could just as easily say well I get steam wallet funds and than sell gifted games to other people. I don’t think your argument tracks with the law or steams suer agreement.
notaviking@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So if they did not have any hardware available it would have been fine?
Maybe Steam should change the policy that store credits cannot be used to buy hardware
atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is one of the few times I’d agree that Valve is the bad guy. I think other companies are also wrong for this. I think they all should be part of this lawsuit and I think legislation needs to have more repercussions for loot box BS.
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
They are brining up the good argument that this would essentially make baseball and pokemon cards gambling and illegal as well, I’m not a lawyer but with the way the law is written and from my understanding of it valve had a very good chance of getting this dismissed or wining in court.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nah. I actually thought the same at first. I literally asked when this was first announced in the news if it wasn’t basically the same as Pokemon cards.
The problem is this. The company producing the Pokemon cards isn’t I hope actively providing a service to trade or resell them for monetary value based on rarity. Secondary markets exist for that but a first party Pokemon company market doesn’t exist for that.
This is where valve fucked up. They allow you to get a rare drop by chance, trade it for points, and use those points to buy something with real world value. It’s a lot more like pachinko than it is Pokemon cards or baseball cards.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yup, just a nice stark reminder that gaming corporations all suck to some degree.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Corporations, really.
zecg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Children yearn for the mines-ass argument
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I bet they’d enjoy surprises they didn’t have to pay for even more.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I enjoy it when the bank send me a letter saying i may or may not have missed a payment on some loan. Fun!
hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I feel like this argument held a lot more weight before polymarket.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
All you need is to talk to some younger gamers to see how bad CS cases can be. My younger sibling (24 now) was surrounded by case gambling growing up and I personally know some kids highschool aged that are keeping the trend going.
Valvd does a lot of good things for gaming but this is really not one of them.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
But guys, Gaben cares. He made some features in steam launcher just for me!
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Like in casinos where the surprise is that you won nothing
Yeah, people love that, and gambling is addiction is real
rafoix@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Every degenerate gambler I know tells me that it’s fun. Every single one tells me that the reason I don’t like Vegas is because I don’t like having fun.
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There’s so many flashing lights and feedback systems to slot machines now, it’s kind of believable.
Like, you put $15 into Slay the Spire, and you KNOW you’re getting nothing back. But you get a bunch of flashy effects in the playing of it.
With gambling, you throw in $15, you get the flashy effects, AND you might get $30 back. When you look at it that way, it can become more understandable how people fall for it and feel happy to.
rafoix@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
The people telling me how fun it is don’t spend $15. They spend 4,000 in one night. They always have stories about all the money they won but they always seem to work the same job as me instead of being professional gamblers.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Finally, something I can criticise Valve for
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Daily reminder Valve is a scumbag monopoly.
dan69@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’d be nice to have all those boxes I picked up to be free.
Scio@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I sure love me a surprise loot box when someone I know thoughtfully purchases what’s inside and gifts it to me.
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
enjoy these nuts
FatVegan@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
People enjoy good surprises
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
yeah valve is pretty indefensible here…