They signed up for the job knowing what it entails.
Doesn’t mean it’s fine.
Based on current events, for police it will heavily depend on circumstances.
But what’s the beef with firemen?
Is it wrong of me not giving a shit when cops get killed? They signed up for the job know what it entails. Same with Firepeople. I feel bad 4 families but no one gives a shit about Nurses or DRs?
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Forester@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I think they are saying that fireman don’t get enough recognition but LEOs get over recognition.
otp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The percentage of people in those jobs who die is small. In fact, there are quite a few deadlier jobs out there. (I want to guess that they’re mostly related to resource extraction)
Do you also not give a shit when a driver dies because we know that driving is the deadliest method of transportation per kilometre?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Surely motorcycling, free climbing, BASE jumping, hang gliding, and skiing are deadlier?
barkybeak@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People’s intuition on risk is wildly off here.
Skydiving sounds insane, but in the U.S. it’s ~9–10 deaths a year out of millions of jumps (roughly 1 in a few hundred thousand per jump).
Driving feels normal, but it kills ~40,000+ people every single year.
So yeah—both involve “transportation,” but the one everyone does casually every day is orders of magnitude deadlier than the one that sounds extreme.
otp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hmm. Motorcycling might be higher or counted together with driving a car. I forget the stats.
The others generally aren’t used as methods of transportation, but instead are generally recreational activities.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I dont care about cops, firefighters and the others, yes
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If I’m reading your message correctly, you should format that thought process better.
“I don’t care about cops. Firefighters, and the others, yes, I care about them.”
At least that’s how I’m reading your statement, but it’s not how it innitially reads.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You need a semicolon there, bud.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 weeks ago
You are not responsible for your feelings, only your actions.
osanna@lemmy.vg 2 weeks ago
remember, these are the same people who waited over an hour to go into Uvalde, while the killer was killing people. They don’t give a fuck about you.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wrong, no, absolutely not.
Not giving a shit isn’t inherently wrong. Can’t be because nobody has enough inner resources to give a shit about everything. I don’t give a shit about large swathes of the human population by dint of my give-a-shitter being defective from the beginning and having worn down significantly over the years.
Like, I don’t want bad to happen to anyone lest it be being hoist by their own petard. You know, fuck around and find out. I have enough shadenfreude in me to appreciate someone fucking their own shit up by being an asshole.
But even “innocent” people getting wiped out by floods or whatever, I just don’t have the fucking spoons.
So, even the best cop in the world, 1000% what a cop should be instead of what most of them are, it just ain’t a big deal. Soldiers, or any other job where there’s danger inherent to it as well. That actually goes for my fellow medical folks too tbh. There’s some things where the assumption of risk is there, and when the risk eventually happens, it sucks, but I lack the energy to be upset when there’s just so much fuckery in the world that people don’t agree to.
Unless there’s malice involved in why you don’t give a shit, who cares? Hell, even if there is malice, as long as you don’t try to make it happen, who cares?
Empathy is not an infinite well. How it gets spent is only partially voluntary. So if there’s some segment of the world that just isn’t on your concern list, it’s fine
Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Firefighters don’t deserve to die, they don’t harm anyone. But I agree the boot of the oppressor isn’t sympathetic.
FanciestPants@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, firefighters are in the same class as lifeguards. They’re protecting people from forces of nature, and don’t have any ideology that is central to their work other than “save lives”.
ikidd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Its not a very dangerous job when compared to farming or roofing. I don’t even think its in the top 10.
bestagon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or compared to fishing, or farming, or garbage collection, or delivery drivers, anything in construction…
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Cops dying is used as justification for cops to crack down harder. As long as the cop is not evil or corrupt, I don’t think them dying helps anyone.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Enforcing an unjust system makes them inherently evil.
schwim@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s not any different than me not giving a shit if you get killed. We all signed up for this continued existence and we’re all dying at the end. Best of luck on your run but I’m not going to lose any sleep when you check out.
Jaegeras@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Let me know when you die, so I can not care about it when someone tells me.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are you a nurse, by chance?
Patnou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep pretty much since I was 16
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And you want ppl to glorify you the same as someone killed while on duty?
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah, it is.
All people face risk in one way or another. Some willingly take on risk to help others or for some different reasons.
First off, being a cop isn’y nearly as high risk as (say) logging. Do you shrug and say “oh well, they knew what they were getting into” when a logger dies? Or a nurse?
Some will point out that ACAB, but even if that’s true, being a bastard isn’t a comprehensive deacription of a person. Humans, even shitty and broken ones, are complex creatures.
Personally, the only people whose deaths I don’t mourn (or at least have empathy for) are those rare monsters who are so sadistic and evil that they barely qualify as human.
Empathy for others, without conditions, is one of our most defining and best traits as humans. It’s worth cultivating.
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
The risk of death is low, but there’s not many jobs where you risk being murdered. Many cops that die have children, and whatever you think of cops, children whose parent is murdered deserve compassion
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You can skip feeling bad if the person deserves it.
Most people working as police, probably every fire fighter, nurse or doctor don’t deserve to die, so while you don’t have to go out of your way to attend their funeral or anything; the normal reaction is feeling bad for them.
I understand cops have a lot of bad PR right now (mostly in america), but It still kinda sucks they are all getting blanketed in the “deserved it” category, because most of them truly are putting up their life to protect yours, so they deserve some gratitude.
Also I always think about that fun fact where “police police police” (etc) is valid english.
MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app 2 weeks ago
Only good cop…
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
… Do good things.
Pauce@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’d largely say no. As others have said in this thread yes other jobs also have high risk rates but I believe those are all false equivalencies. Cops have a level of power in their profession that is unlike any other job. Every one of them knows exactly what they are getting into and they agree to put your life on the line for the law. If you want to play enforcer then you get to deal with the consequences of that role. On a human level I feel empathy towards any death, I’m not a monster, but no I don’t feel any worse for them in contrast to the loss of life in any other first line job.
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
To some degree I understand. They risk their lives but where im at they get outsized compensation. The sad thing is its because their wages and comp are pretty equivalent to what it was 50 years ago while everyone elses have fallen without unions that have powerful leverage. Then they are known for being pretty right leaning in general. Add to all that the massive shows that get put on with funeral processions and televised masses that go on for hours. That being said they did die. Firefighters I feel a bit worse for as they by and large do not hurt people in their role and do save them. Cops are harder as people they shoot never were given a shot to lead lives with the largess they have and no public displays are put on for their funerals. I don’t really want anyone dieing unecessarily but I also want a society that is far more equitable.
disregardable@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s easier to not feel bad for people when they’re suffering. If we did that, we’d feel sad all of the time.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I give a shit about nurses and doctors and firefighters. We need them. I want them to be taken care of and compensated well.
All cops are bastards though.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Uh-huh. So, in your fantasy world where cops don’t exist, who intervenes when someone inevitably commits a crime?
I’m sure you’ve got some version of Social Workers with Enforcement Powers^TM^ in mind, but all that really amounts to is Reformed Cops^TM^. So, just admit ACAB is your anger-fueled generalization/oversimplified solution to a complex problem and say you want police reform, like the rest of us sane people.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Who intervenes when cops are around, though? I’ve been laughed at in my face and told they couldn’t do anything despite us having proof in the form of a brick through our window. Not even the restraining order was honored.
Or how about the time I got beat up and all they did was allegedly take some notes and tell me they couldn’t do anything because it was private property?
It’s kind of insane how much we rely on their image rather than their direct actions to even dare be so condescending.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Look at nearly any developed country outside the USA. Cops are not even given firearms in many cases, and the cop murder rate is near zero, even when the suspects are armed. There are way better ways to deal with it.
If you have a problem and you call the police, you now have two problems. ACAB. police in the usa are tyrants who just punish, don’t give a shit about you.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
We need police too dumb ass.
SippyCup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We need some form of law enforcement.
We do not need a standing military with a license to kill and random citizen.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This is a fantastically naive thought. I hope you learn why, some day, but not in a way that causes you harm.