Given the obviously wide reaching implications of the Epstein files why arent other world governments demanding access or copies?

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• Sineljora@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Other countries are actually investigating them, and there have been recent consequences in other countries for the current releases.

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• Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The amount of people saying it’s because other world leaders and businessmen are implicit are idiots.

  Not because that can’t be the case. But because it has nothing to do with how this works.

  There is no legal basis anywhere for such a demand. Even if you can prove that one of the victims is from your country. That doesn’t give you the right to access their investigation. It doesn’t give you the right to conduct an investigation inside a forgein country.

  You can make a request. They might say yes, they might say no. But that’s all you can do. Demands are different from requests. Demands have an implicit “or else” attached. It’s not something you throw around lightly.

  one: because it makes you look weak, and two: you need to be able to back it up if they refuse. EU is not going to start another round of trade-war with the US over their child trafficking ring. It’s not our problem. It’s theirs.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because their politicians are being blackmailed by Israel too

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  • hector@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And or are supplicants of the US. Beholden to the US for security, for their economy. The US undergirds all of their currencies, controls world trade, etc. The sanctions regime is secretive and capricious, and they are not afraid to abuse it. Not even before this administration, and obviously these new guys are unbound by any past restraints. Not just the president, the party, this is the new thing it doesn’t go back to normal with our new supreme leader, presuming the democrats fail to take it back, a safe presumption at this point seeing as the same people are in charge of the party.

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  • gigachad@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So the Jews are at the two of this network and controlling the world in secret? I think I have heard this somewhere before…

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    • Binturong@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They typed Israel, you read Jews. I think you’re the one with the problem there.

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    • Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I said Israel. Israel is a country not a religion

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    • morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Have you not also heard that republican accusations are actually confessions?

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    • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A govt isn’t it’s ppl

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• ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The US already has intelligence sharing programs with many of their Allies (eg the five eyes alliance, which includes Canada, Australia, the UK and NZ). So other nations very well may have copies

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For over 20 years now…

    The first investigation was early 2005

    But this was an international ring, other countries had other sources as well, and have for just as long.

    Look at Jimmy Saville in the UK, everyone knew but no one said anything till he died, and then some random henchmen were all that went down.

    Epstein and Saville weren’t the only ones, and others are almost certainly still operating as open secrets right now.

    That’s the real reason every government is slow walking this. People implicated in the Epstein files, would snitch on people from other rings. Those people would snitch on the rest of their ring. And then another start it again.

    It’s basically how the aliens from Solar Opposites works, and it results the same: exponential growth.

    If people on the Epstein list are prosecuted then virtually every trafficking ring and every other shady thing billionaires get up to will also likely come out. Everyone of them would sell the rest out to save themselves.

    And that’s why we need to do it before they die, and they can still be pressured to snitch.

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  • hector@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s true, and what else is true although not widely known is the 5 eyes alliance is in large degree an end run around laws we have preventing our intelligence agencies from spying on their own citizens. We have our allies do it, then share the information back with us. Even if it’s the US initiating the investigation/operation, doing all the work itself. They put an ally on the letterhead and forward the information there and back and call it intelligence sharing.

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  • breakfastmtn@piefed.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think the ‘five eyes’ agreement applies. The “Epstein files” aren’t signals intelligence and weren’t gathered by an intelligence agency. They were seized as part of a legal investigation.

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    • hector@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It would apply to cia intelligence. But this epstein thing is so high up in the chain, with such a critical mass of baby rapers in positions of power, that there would’ve been pressure to hide the information, to not record it as such in the first place perhaps. And or restrict the information from those allies.

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You might be right. I really don’t know what would be included under their intelligence sharing agreements, I just know that an agreement exists

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• fizzle@quokk.au ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t think anyone is going to like this answer but… it’s just not how global politics works.

  Why would other governments demand copies ?

  Australia is a close ally of the US. We don’t really have any basis to make such a demand. Additionally, they’re not going to give them to us because obviously they want to protect pedo-in-chief.

  So the answer is, if we tried the answer would be a hard “no” and the request would damage our relationship.

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  • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They might also argue it’s outside of their jurisdiction.

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    • fizzle@quokk.au ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah thats kinda what I meant about not having any basis for the request.

      Its a criminal case and there’s no indication that any of it occurred on Australian soil so its nothing to do with us.

      If an Australian official was implicated we could stand them down. If an Australian was charged overseas we could provide consular support. Thats it though really

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• ArseAssassin@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You don’t publicly demand access to classified files of another sovereign nation state. Not unless you’re Trump anyway.

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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Assuming they don’t already have copies through intelligence sharing agreements or have already demanded access in secret, how exactly would most countries pressure the US, and specifically this US goverment?

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• sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The US Government is no longer a trustworthy partner.

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• Sharkticon@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do you think any of them would trust what this Administration would give them?

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To do what with it? Other world governments are more concerned by the fact they keep getting bombed, destabilised and economically coerced by America and friends… The fact that the entire Anglo political structure is composed of murderous, amoral pedos and those who don’t mind it is not a surprise to anyone besides the ones governed by them.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To do what with it?

    Purge their own administrations, presumably.

    But all these people have their own friends, same as Gates and Musk and Jamie Daimon.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  because its likely their ceos and high position politicians are implicated.

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• morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Country borders exist to contain the proletariat and allow avenues of escape for the bourgeoisie.

  A government that makes demands of this regime paints a target on their backs.

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• leadore@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because they want it covered up as much as the US government does.

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  • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    they actually are reporting on it much more, and plenty have opened up their own investigations into their people implicated by what’s been released so far

    it’s just that the US’s mainstream news is so captured by special/rich interests that nothing breaks through the american bubble unless they want it to.

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• can@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it crosses borders. Call me what you want but

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• oyzmo@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Unwritten rule that rules don’t apply for the top

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• Xanthrax@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Threat of injury/ abduction

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• susi7802@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s basically a USA thing. People in Europe are spectators viewing how things are developing, they see some collateral damage in Europe, but are expecting a big eruption in the USA… which weirdly enough isn’t happening.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We’re kinda sorta really hoping for a big eruption. There is a big push everywhere to follow in Americas footsteps and nobody in their right mind wants that. The more fascist shit America gets away with, the more fascist shit we find out works and is tolerated.

    If our leaders learn the playbook works, and our populations learn that even the most heavily armed civilians on the planet cant stop it, we might be cooked.

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• Bullerfar@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Atleast now we know why they want to create their own rich territory in greenland. Epstein Island 2.0

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  • morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is this just a hypothesis or was there some basis for this thinking?

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    • Bullerfar@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The techbros has a wet dream about a futuristic society where they can create their own rules and such. A elysium kind of thing, only for the 0,1% riches. They see greenland as a barren country, because to them, a country isnt a country if theres only 60.000 people living there. I don’t know why they havent thought of antartica. But I gues it is too far away from america.

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