Where are the arms bearers?

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• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Who wants to be the first to martyr themselves getting turned into Swiss cheese after firing the first shot? Is it you? Why not?

  That is your answer.

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  • Drbreen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well it can’t be me because I don’t live in the US.

    And over the years, I’ve heard the argument for bearing arms in case of government tyranny… And here we are, government agency kidnapping people off the street like my grandparents were in Poland.

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    • Zoot@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      An yet you still don’t answer whether you would be the first person to pull a weapon and be turned into Swiss cheese. Regardless of how many people may or may not have weapons, only an extremely low % of people want to basically commit suicide by trying the above.

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    • tburkhol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The “resist government tyranny” people have always been a (very vocal) fringe group. Quasi-historical, quasi-fantasy, a little bit like historical re-enactors, but with a plot that makes it seem like they could be talking about today and real life. AFAIK, no one outside the groups actually think they will be the people to lead an armed resistance, mostly because no one outside of the groups actually thinks there will ever be a circumstance involving a widespread, armed resistance.

      The one I knew, we’re sitting in this little pizza shop having lunch, and he starts going on about how he’s mapped the exits and positions of cover in the restaurant, in case a crew would barge in to rob the cafe and its patrons. Had his eye on a couple of people who might be troublemakers. Obviously had his gun with him, but probably too many people around to use it if the place did get raided. All in this nice, quiet, suburban neighborhood.

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  • Blackfeathr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Exactly. And after the first martyr gets domed or swiss cheesed, all of the armchair analysts will come out of the woodwork creating a prevailing opinion like “well it would have been better if he had done X instead of Y, rookie mistake, what an idiot” and life will go on fundamentally unchanged besides that person now being dead and posthumously tut-tutted at.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Who wants to be the first to martyr themselves getting turned into Swiss cheese after firing the first shot?

    Thomas Matthew Crooks tentatively raising his hand

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• StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Living in the US South for the last 30 years, my experience has been that most of the "Don’t tread on me " crowd are very much only interested in protecting themselves and their families. That often means keeping your head low when trouble is about.

  Additionally, ICE seems to have been keeping a low profile in areas where that mindset is most prevalent. Still active, but keeping their wits about them.

  Sooner or later, though, ICE will fuck up, knock down the wrong door, and multiple people (both ICE and citizens) will catch a bad case of lead poisoning. And then things will get bad.

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  • sheogorath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    From what they’re doing it looks like they’re really hoping that would happen and the orange turd will have a reason to trigger a national emergency.

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• frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  No one wants to go in alone. That’s suicide.

  Hard to find groups and organize sometimes.

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  • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh they’re easy enough to find, they’re just aligned with the fascists.

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• andrewta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  A ton of the arms bearers don’t see anything wrong.

  But what about those on the left? There are liberal guns owners. Where are they? No clue.

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  • SGG@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The Nazis want violence, that way they can justify even worse acts. Not that they need justification, they’l just keep getting worse anyway.

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    • cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re going to run into an issue of two low probability events overlapping. You are on lemmy, so you likely have an outsized notion of how common/public these instances with ICE are, and of how common left-leaning gun owners are.

    The vast majority of ICE arrests will happen in isolated locations, like someone’s home or place of work. So already, there are few people around. Of those who are around, most will not be gun owners, will not be carrying a gun, will not see ICE’s actions as tyrannical, or will have overestimated their confidence in whipping out their glock to defend liberty.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But what about those on the left?

    Idk about the rest of y’all, but I’ve been volunteering with the Houston Chapter of Food Not Bombs at every opportunity.

    There’s far fewer of us than cops, and we’re more focused on keeping our impoverished neighbors alive than getting in gunfights with the police.

    But maybe that’ll change. I guess we’ll see.

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Imagine the backlash the folks with the monopoly on violence would have if someone used violence against them.

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• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Right here, where ICE is not. Want me to chase them down in another state?

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Where are the bearers of arms who bear arms in case of government tyranny?

  They’re the guys in the ICE uniforms, more often than not

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• Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Oh, you mean all the armed cowards that want to disarm everyone they disagree with? Yeah. It was never about the government. It was always about their legal right to have the right to bear their minority killers.

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  In my opinion, things simply aren’t bad enough. People are being kidnapped off the streets and the government breaks the law flagrantly, but not enough Americans are starving or homeless to force any serious resistance.

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  • Drbreen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I wonder what it would take…

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• SalamenceFury@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You don’t fire the first shot unless you make it seem like the government was completely unjustified in doing that.

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