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Last Epoch players turn on the action RPG for announcing a paid DLC class, tanking its Steam reviews: 'go play Path of Exile instead'
Submitted 1 day ago by simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world
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Phegan@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
TipRing@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Maybe they will ask their fans if they have phones.
sleepmode@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
They should have just put a fork in it when it became very apparent early on it was too ambitious for the studio to handle. And that was long before it blew up in popularity. Now the game has been unprofitable for the past few expansions and their owners are coming to collect. Live service was a massive, greedy mistake as Bungie is also not learning with D2.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
After ditching D2 last year well past the 10k hour mark, I’ve been bouncing around a bunch of different games, mostly working through the backlog but also looking for a long-term grind to scratch that same itch. Out of everything I’ve tried, PoE2 and Warframe feel like the only ones doing live service “right”, especially the latter. Between both games, the only MTX gripe I have is PoE2’s stash tabs.
Last Epoch had a ton of potential but the team were in way over their heads and forced to start cashing in, and the Krafton buyout was the nail in the coffin. It feels like they just flat out didn’t have the budget to keep it going.
sleepmode@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Yeah, we’re in the same boat. I’m going through the backlog, but I have yet to truly find my comfort food even though those two games are excellent. Especially PoE2.
Regardless, agree on your points. The latter two franchises have shown that live-service can be done well. Though I still don’t quite get how Warframe pulls it off… I guess it’s that they never broke their model while Bungie… you know.
For Last Epoch, the campaign wasn’t even finished and then suddenly. Don’t write checks you can’t cash, I guess.
pory@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I totally agree with ditching a game over MTX, but doesn’t PoE also want to stick its hand in your wallet? Making a game more restrictive to sell “quality of life” is just as bad as selling a character.
Phegan@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Path of exile is completely playable for free, all content, no restrictions.
The stash tabs are a soft requirement. You can play without them, but it’s a less enjoyable experience.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
Everything is cosmetic last I checked aside from stash tabs, which granted should be earnable in-game, but it’s nothing like an entirely MTX-only class
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Hoping to cover costs solely from cosmetics is a pie-in-the-sky fancy and they knew that, the only way that works is if your game blows up in the way that only those rare, 0.01% of games do. Saying they expected that to work out was some fucking bullshit. I sympathize with their plight, it’s obvious that if the options are sell DLC or shut down the studio, you sell DLC, but it shouldn’t have happened like this.
They were dishonest at worst or brutally naive at best from the start. I’m willing to accept that latter simply because these were originally Reddit people who wanted to make their own mark on the genre, but it’s still inexcusable. I have zero involvement in the industry and I could tell you that was not gonna work out.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I fuuuuuucking KNEW IT.
jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network 10 hours ago
Just so you guys know, it’s pronounced ‘epic.’
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Y-puck
grte@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Just so you know, that depends on your location.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
No it’s eeee pock because fuck all y’all prescriptivists
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 day ago
But grim dawn has classes in the dlc expa sions 🤔
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Grim Dawn is not a live game service.
Last Epoch promised to only have MTX and pay only once to get the full experience. That’s not the case anymore.
Last Epoch studio got bought out and people were afraid they were gonna get enshittified and it is happening right now.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 23 hours ago
Yeah. But think about the shareholders. They are way more important than the customers. The customers can go fuck themselves.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Grim Dawn was an excellent and finished game on release, and said DLCs came out years later via DLCs that acted as expansions to the campaign.
Last Epoch doesn’t even have a complete story, just some unfinished tripe with no real lore and oh here’s a bunch of alternate versions of how the unfinished thing you encountered could have happened differently.
They’re not even in the same class. It’s why I have 440 hours on Grim Dawn and would play it more still. I dropped LE at 170 hours and don’t really see any reason to play more.
ackthxbye@feddit.org 19 hours ago
Grim Dawn was completed before the devs started releasing DLC. Last Epoch, apparently, still has severe bugs and unfinished content.
Additionally 2 of 3 DLCs in Grim Dawn are more akin to olden timey expansions rather than modern cash-grab DLC.
Kagu@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Not defending last epoch but Grim Dawn did not feel complete. The base game story ‘ends’ on a complete cliffhanger quest the way a TV show Season 1 ends.
I like Grim Dawn but it pisses me off that the base game is so cheap when the studio knows the experience is super incomplete without the 3x as expensive expansions.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Apparently in 2018 the devs stated publicly they’d never add paid content to the game. At least that’s what the fans state. I dunno.
I bought it a year ago, played it for ten hours. It’s a fun little game.
darthelmet@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Ah. I didn’t know they said that. It’s definitely shitty to go back on that promise. Although in a vacuum, I think this is the kind of non-cosmetic content that’s somewhat acceptable to me as paid DLC. It’s not a competitive game and assuming the class is balanced, it’s just adding content that gives more variety. I’ve been fine with paid DLC in other big games as long as it’s a worthwhile amount of content for the price and it’s sold in a straightforward way without any funny business. Given that this game has online co-op, I think it makes sense that they’re gonna keep the content expansion free so it doesn’t divide people who would want to play together (also I guess there is trading, but I’m a CoF player so…) and then this is something that mostly just affects someone’s individual experience. Like if you were going to be happy enough to keep playing the game with existing classes, then this doesn’t really affect you.
So in principle I’m ok with this… but like I said, the bigger issue is them going back on their word.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 17 hours ago
That’s rough. I tend to cycle in and out of games (particularly ARPGs).
Paid DLC content acts as a deterrent to me going back to a game that I only play fairly casually.
Bakkoda@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Paid DLC that is simply less content and more texture pack is just bullshit. Paid DLC like Grim Dawn xpacs are content I’m more than happy to pay for. So it’s all relative but this for me is dookie
grahamja@reddthat.com 18 hours ago
In other news, runescape classic is still good.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Really? I thought they had a shitload of MTX
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
That’s Runescape 3,except they are removing it all. Osrs has membership (effectively required for the game) and you can buy bonds so other players can buy membership with in game money. That’s it.
bytesonbike@discuss.online 22 hours ago
But this one really stings.
Text is the easiest thing to fix in a game. And that just reeks of shotty work, especially in a MMO.
oxideseven@lemmy.ca 22 hours ago
Shoddy? Or shitty? Honestly probably both. Lol.
But in case you didn’t know.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
It’s not an mmo.
It’s an arpg
redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Mmos and arpgs are intrinsically linked by their gameplay loops. Admittedly, this can vary to a greater or lesser degree depending on the specific games being compared, but Diablo 2 was, in many ways, proto-WoW.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
As soon as Krafton bought them out it wasn’t just downhill from there, it was a steep drop off a cliff. The game had so much promise but got royally fucked.
baines@lemmy.cafe 9 hours ago
nothing new about this
poe still has this problem on and off