Indie game developers have a new sales pitch: being ‘AI free’

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• Maestro@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Does this specify the kinds of AI? Are none of these devs using code completion on their IDEs? Or refactoring tools? Because the bulk of them use AI these says.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m sure everyone has always explained this to you given the number of downfalls but algorithms aren’t equal to AI.

    Ever since the evolution of AI people seem to have lost the ability to recall things prior to 2019.

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    • Legianus@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean doesn’t it heavily depend what you refer to as AI?

      ML algorithms, come very close to LLMs and have been back in the day refered to as AI. They are also used in code completion.

      Also both of these are algorithms

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    • froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But these tools are not mere algorithms or ML products, they are LLM backed

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  • fonix232@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Even yesteryear's code completion systems (that didn't rely on LLMs) are technically speaking, AI systems.

    While the term "AI" became the next "crypto" or "Blockchain", in reality we've been using various AI products for the better part of the past 30 years.

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    • nogooduser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We used to call the code that determined NPC behaviour AI.

      It wasn’t AI as we know it now but it was intended to give vaguely realistic behaviour (such as taking a sensible route from A to B).

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    • oatscoop@midwest.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “AI” has become synonymous with “Generative AI”

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  • kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The seal looks like this:

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    Code completion is probably a gray area.

    Those models generally have much smaller context windows, so the energy concern isn’t quite as extreme.

    You could also reasonably make a claim that the model is legally in the clear as far as licensing, if the training data was entirely open source (non-attribution, non-share-alike, and commercial-allowed) licensed code.

    That said, I think the general sentiment is less “what the technology does” and more “who it does it to”. Code completion, for the most part, isn’t deskilling labor, or turning experts into accountability sinks.

    Like, I don’t think the Luddites would’ve had a problem with an artisan using a knitting frame in their own home. They were too busy fighting against factories locking children inside for 18-hour shifts, getting maimed by the machines or dying trapped in a fire.

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  • Damarus@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would primarily understand it as being free of generative AI (picture and sound), which is what is most obvious when actually playing a game. I’m personally not against using LLMs for coding if you actually know what you’re doing and properly review the output. However at that point most will come to the conclusion that you could write the code manually anyways and probably save time.

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    • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Using ai to generate samples to get a framework of the product would be permitted or not? Is placeholder generation allowed?

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  • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Here is a frog, please help me split its hairs

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  • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Jesus fuck that’s some goal post moving.

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  • datavoid@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Personally speaking I don’t care at all about dev tools, as they have always been used. Vibe coding does bother me though - if you don’t know HOW to code, you probably shouldn’t be doing it.

    The real issue though is using AI generated assets. If you have a game that uses human made art, story, and music, no one is going to complain about you using AI. Even if you somehow managed to get there via vibe coding.

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  • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This is exactly my thoughts. You need to specify. Is a product AI when Windows is used to develop it? Windows is an “AI” product as in assisted to be produced by AI.

    Labels are meaningless without sensible rules and enforcement.

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• Lembot_0005@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Typical marketing approach: “TV says you should hate AI, communism and negros. Buy OUR product – it doesn’t contain AI, communism or negros! Buy now, only $79.99!”

  Pathetic.

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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    When everyone else is selling poison, selling something actually edible is a pretty good move.

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  • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lmao what is this comment?

    Are you really conflating the idea that people want art made by people with racism and hard-right politics?

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    • drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well Hitler was a painter, checkmate liberals.

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    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I actually got doxing/threats of physical violence for pushing back on idiots claiming being against AI was like being racist, these people are absolutely insufferable and no matter what they think their intentions are, the consequences of their ideology is a sweeping under the rug of actual injustices, systematic prejudice and violence.

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  • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No one wants AI slop.

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    • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Y’all don’t realize how much of a bubble you’re in on the anti - AI front, the vast majority of normies are catching on and use genAI

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Imagine thinking that disliking AI is racist, or a class war wedge issue.

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Are you being serious with this reply? Holy shit.

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