Submitted 1 day ago by DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
As in: Which makes the most sense from their PoV, ethics aside.
The “middle class” is just the working class with debt. In class struggle terms, its not “rich vs poor”, it’s “owners vs workers”. If you have to work to support yourself, that tells you all you need to know.
I have relatives that own their house as well as a few rental properties, but they also work normal jobs, they get the new iPhone (or sometimes Samsung Phone) every year, they rarely use public transit, always drive their cars. I’m assuming they have health insurance as well. And I also heard they have other investments besides rental income (as in stocks)
Now I don’t know if they need to work, but they definitely have enough rental income to get by even if they lose their jobs.
Idk what class that is supposed to be.
Sounds to me like petite bourgeoise
Does it matter? These are just concepts.
Ultimately, supporting the working class helps everyone.
I think an easier interpretation than the “owners vs workers” in this day and age is, are they billionaires. If you’re not a billionaire or close to it, you should be on the side of the working class.
The billionaires that make up only 1% of the population ans own nearly half the wealth of the entire world are the problem.
Sounds like they are not part of the owner class
It depends, how do they feel about guillotines?
The middle class isn’t real. You are either working class or owner class. Anything else is just there to divide the working class in a forever class war with the owner class.
The lower classes, because “real” capitalism grows from the bottom and trickle down is discredited nonsense. There is no benefit to supporting those who don’t need it. Buying from small local shops and employee owned outfits, and if you are a business owner, paying well and giving employees ownership stake and profit sharing, that at least moves the needle in the right direction.
AFA self interest, middle class has more to gain by the poor becoming middle class, than by the rich getting richer.
The middle class is a fabrication. It’s an income bracket created by capitalism, not a true analysis of one’s association to the means of production and labor. It’s “real” in the sense that many people identify themselves to it, but it’s not real in a Marxist sense.
A vast majority of people in the middle class are the proletariat. Some of the people in the middle class are petite bourgeois.
In the book 1984, one of the characters postulates that in any system of government there are 3 groups. The unwashed masses comprising 90% of people, the elite who are better than everyone else making up 1% of people, and a middle buffer of 9% of people. The buffer is used by the elite to keep the unwashed masses from uprising. Anyone from the 90% who looks like they might be trouble for the 1% gets to be in the 9%. They get treated a bit better in exchange for defending the status quo. Perhaps if they defend it hard enough they can be given a spot among the 1%!
I believe the argument made by this character is supposed to be flawed, but it ends up being pretty believable. The "middle class" would be the buffer zone of people who defend the status quo in exchange for slightly better treatment by the 1% than the average person gets.
The 1% richest hold 50% of all the wealth. If we’re being reasonable, everyone vs them is probably more than enough.
The middle class is nothing more than poor people who are convinced that they’ll be rich someday.
Nope, that’s blatantly not true. I’m a middle class, I don’t think I’ll ever be rich. Sure, some people dream of being the next billionaires, but most of middle class doesn’t.
Fair enough. How about, middle class is just poor people who don’t know they’re poor.
You can't put ethics aside. All we have is ethics. Ideally, ethics get codified into laws against doing unethical things, but not forcing people to only and always do that which someone said is ethical (no drunk driving, but no banning on alcohol). Problems crop up when the laws are unethical -- like saying corporations are people or landmines aren't warcrimes.
The workers, 100%.
The difference between even a millionnaire and a billionnaire is one billion.
It’s such a large gap that in my view, no one really could claim to be a “temporarily embarassed billionnaire”. Nobody is; there are only workers and there are leeches.
Setting aside the "the middle class isn't real" point, distributing the rich's wealth for the benefit of everyone else is the sales pitch of socialism, so the middle class is still on the side gaining from a successful proletarian class struggle. I mean, the bourgeoisie winning means the status quo with its permanently declining quality of life, so I don't think many middle class people are too thrilled about continuing with that.
Middle class is a fiction of post ww2 westoid regimes.
They are just a deluded working class who forgot where they came from.
As wealth inequality increases the line for who matters at the top gets smaller. At this point the top 1% controls 50% globally so on a global scale if your not in that 1% you don't matter. But like in the us its 2% so that is what it takes to be in the in crowd. In europe its 10% to be in. As wealth inequality gets worse those who previously benefited from slanted playing fields will find they fell down to the bad side of the board and they will be a major source of sucking for the top to increase their wealth expansion.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
There is no middle class, there is only working class and the parasitic class.