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Sony, which is making a Helldivers 2 movie, is also making a new Starship Troopers movie, but it's not based on the Starship Troopers movie we already have

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  • Thistlewick@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    So many questions.

    Are they going to call the movie “Helldivers 2”? because I haven’t seen Helldivers 1 yet.

    Does this writer not know that there are already FIVE Starship Troopers movies, each worst than the last? News of a 6th film isn’t exactly stirring excitement in my loins.

    Does Sony think claiming they’re “going back to the original book” is a good thing in this case? Heinlein’s novel has none of the political satire that Verhoeven injected into the story, and that audiences associate with the property. Starship Troopers played straight is… well, it would be the original Starship Troopers, but not nearly as interesting.

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    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Starship Troopers the novel was very interesting. It just wasn’t the half-comedy the movie was.

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    • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I viewed the movie as a play on the propaganda within the universe of the book (roughly the equivalent of films like “black hawk down”).

      A movie playing it straight could be interesting. My only concern is how it will resonate with the current political situation. The original book was far more subtle in its view on fascism. It could easily turn into a fascist call to arms.

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Verhoeven made the choice to make the movie a farce because he realized that making the movie serious would likely be interpreted as saying nice things about Nazis.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      . Starship Troopers played straight is… well, it would be the original Starship Troopers, but not nearly as interesting.

      politely disagree.

      one, the verhoeven film only explored the attack on earth superficially; they don’t include the other species at all - skinnies (iirc?) and don’t touch on the mobile infantry tech like the armor systems.

      In the right hands, I think they could flesh stuff like this out to create a lot of interesting nuance and film fun.

      Knowing hollywood it’ll probably be wretched tho.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Making a video game movie and starting the first one off with “2” in the title would be a very video game thing to do.

      Street Fighter definitely could have used the opportunity. It’s one of those games that most people learned about from the second in the series and not the original game.

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      • lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Does that mean we will get helldivers2: the movie: the game?

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    • jagged_circle@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Could be good if they write Trump/Musk into it

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    • PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Maybe they’ll do it like ‘Troll 2’ and just go right to the sequel

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    • beejboytyson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Right? The book reads like a futuristic Jarhead

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  • geography082@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Image

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  • SoupBrick@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I mean, as long as they put effort into it and cater to the fan base, it could do well. If it is just an attempt at using an established name to create a new generic sci-fi universe, it probably won’t be a hit.

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  • blackberry@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    ok

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    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’m so excited. This could be as good as Madame web, or Even Kraven.

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      • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Next the eternals in the making!

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  • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Sony Pictures is rebooting one of their IPs?!

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  • zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    But they’re the same thing

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The 1959 novel was wildly different but I think it perhaps won’t be well received.

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    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Wasn’t the original novel just pro fascist, but the movie made it into a ‘pro fascist’ satire? Or am I remembering that wrong?

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      • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I was curious, cuz I wasn’t sure either. Wikipedia has a summary:

        It won the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1960,[3] and was praised by reviewers for its scenes of training and combat and its visualization of a future military.[11][12] It also became enormously controversial because of the political views it seemed to support. Reviewers were strongly critical of the book’s intentional glorification of the military,[13][14] an aspect described as propaganda and likened to recruitment.[15] The novel’s militarism, and the fact that government service – most often military service – was a prerequisite to the right to vote in the novel’s fictional society, led to it being frequently described as fascist.[14][16][17] Others disagree, arguing that Heinlein was only exploring the idea of limiting the right to vote to a certain group of people.

        Lol And then for the 1997(!!) movie it says:

        The film was directed by Paul Verhoeven (who found the book too boring to finish)

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      • benignintervention@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Having read some other Heinlein, I don’t think the man was capable of being pro-fascism (see The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Stranger in a Strange Land). The book, in only my personal opinion, seemed more like a thought experiment, like most science fiction

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      • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        His various books explored the pros and cons of various government styles in a fairly honest way. Unfortunately, modern films don’t do well with nuances. It’s fascism on the surface, but there are echoes of the deep cracks that make it so terrifying and self destructive.

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      • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The book was satire.

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      • orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        There’s debate on whether Heinlein meant it as satire or actual advice.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “Go back to the original novel…” and then do something completely different.

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ok but I didn’t know about a helldiver’s movie and I’m so fucking pumped.

    FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY ON THE BIG SCREEN WOOOOO

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  • illi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “Corporate needs you to find difference between this (motion) picture and this (motion) picture”

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    • HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      But Helldivers is based on Starship troopers the movie not the book but the new Starship troppers movie will be based not on the movie, so, the book?

      The book and the movie are wildy different, the movie was made by someone that didn’t bother reading the full book so just winged the story and made his own kida thing.

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      • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That is leaving out the reason the movie isn’t cloessly following the book. It’s facistic. Like very much so.

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  • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Neat. Good thing it won’t be allowed in my region cause sony has an hard on for discriminating against us.

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  • hopesdead@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    What about Helldivers 1?

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    • sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The stuff you’d include in a movie (fascism, capes, managed democracy, friendly fire, dropships, weird aliens) are the same between the two installments.

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