what should one archive in a fascist regime?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Gigasser@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Reposted from c/politics since it violated their rule about needing to have a link:

Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I’m thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.

Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.

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simple@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
If you’d like to support archival in general, consider donating to archive.org . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn’t hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.

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- hollyberries@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.
  
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  - BonerMan@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    They really should relocate to Europe.
    
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  - olsonexi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Why can’t humanity seem to learn that storing all of our knowledge and cultural artifacts in just one place with no backup is a BAD IDEA? Don’t let the library of Alexandria burn again!
    
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- ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Shit, now I’m doubly worried about Archive staying online.
  
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  - SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    As @hollyberries pointed out, archive’s servers are on American soil, if there’s a federal ban on improper(“fake”) knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they’d just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse…
    
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- SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it’s impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it’ll last longer than digital media storage.
  
  Another thing to consider:
  If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.
  
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  - Gigasser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.
    
    Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can’t get all of us if a bunch of us do this.
    
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  - Shortstack@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Good argument for encryption and servers within a privacy respecting country
    
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  - philpo@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Digital data stored right is extremely non-volatile - but it takes an effort to do so,but the same goes for printing out terabytes.
    
    And digital data can be hidden far easier.
    
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- linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Somebody needs to fix IPFS so we can archive all that shit and share in hosting a chunk.
  
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xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
With the internet as it is it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see an information purge like nazi Germany. We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

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- jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  We should probably assume most things are hosted in the states and have ron desantis coming for them.
  
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- Gigasser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Hopefully they don’t go all “Great Firewall of the US” on us.
  
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- kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.
  
  As well as imprisoning of people spreading information and making art that the regime doesn’t like.
  
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- ech@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Depends on who’s in charge. 50%+ of the internet seems to be hosted by amazon and musk rules his little fiefdom. The call to be proactive isn’t unreasonable.
  
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- SeedyOne@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Your optimism about that is inspiring but one bad solar flare, some sea cables or a pissed off country can shrink the world real quick. SneakerNETs anyone?
  
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- FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  They put porn behind a government ID in most places. Expect it everywhere
  
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  - ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Canada will do the same once Pierre takes over.
    
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  - Sarothazrom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    VPNs
    
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- TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Are you aware of any non American efforts to archive the American internet?
  
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linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
For a while now I’ve wanted to start a project of shit politicians say. Video as much as possible. Every shitty immoral reprehensible thing that they come out and say and do logged into a searchable archive. Make it super easy for regular people to stitch together anti-political ads using the politicians own words with context.

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- BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Why? More than 50% of US voters just elected a convicted felon and rapist. Using the politicians’ utterances against them is not going to do anything.
  
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  - linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s not for now, it’s for our kids, or their kids, assuming we get some morals in a couple of generations.
    
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  - AndrewZabar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Seriously! I just dont understand how so many people can just overlook this. Honestly they have openly approved it all. They never again have a right to expect justice for themselves, because they approved rampant criminal behavior in about the most formal way.
    
    This is truly sickening. Clearly he can get away with anything just as he has always known. I just cannot figure it out. How can people do this? It truly makes me sure our species stands no chance.
    
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  - AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I have to believe in a future where people look back on this from a world with less hatred in it than it currently has. I want to give the perpetrators of hate as little plausible deniability as possible.
    
    I have to believe that even though looking back on history didn’t seem to help us avoid this situation, that there will be people in the future who are wiser and empowered to make better choices for them and their communities.
    
    It’s a fantasy, and I honestly don’t care if it’s unrealistic. It’s what I need to believe to keep going. I need to believe there can be something better after this, regardless of whether I’ll get to experience it.
    
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  - TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Trump, so far, has fewer votes than he got in 2016. The future sucks, but there is hope.
    
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  - douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Because advertising is what wins?
    
    There’s no such thing as bad publicity anymore. If you can gain a lot of publicity with well-timed and poignant collages and snippets that target audience on say tic Tok. That’s an extremely powerful tool.
    
    Currently things like this take not insignificant time and effort. Reducing the time of production is valuable.
    
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  - Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Maybe a warning for future generations about what is apparently acceptable discourse now.
    
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- Gigasser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Best time to start this was before. But 2nd best time is now!
  
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- PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  That would be awesome, I wish that had existed a few months ago.
  
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  - linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I don’t think it would have mattered starting a few months ago he was very open with everything that he did and said. But media like that has a tendency to get buried over time and I want my kids and their kids to know exactly what the f*** happened
    
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- douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Samesies…
  
  It’s very difficult though, sourcing material is difficult enough, archiving and making it actually useful and valuable even moreso. It takes a lot of intelligent processing.
  
  LLMs can reduce that effort a lot, on the searching side, but that’s very expensive either in hardware or in API costs. And either way, would likely involve the efforts of a team to achieve.
  
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  - linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Honestly I think the hardest part is identifying it and locating it.
    
    Probably need to start a community around it. People link to stuff. Pay walls would have to be dealt with. In the vast majority of cases that’s not too difficult. No it does start getting less available around video sources. IP restrictions will be a pain in the ass.
    
    Recording the video is messy. YT-DLP could work for some things, But honestly with the level of what’s coming I’d be afraid of leaving fingerprints on anything. Probably throwing a full screen player up in a 1080p window and using OBS on it would be the safest. Could probably get away with using an elgato to capture the HDMI signal up to 4K.
    
    Speech to text models are light enough to run on raspberry pi. They’ll need to be vetted. They’re not highly accurate. Captioning is a great community task.
    
    Organizing an indexing the captions, there’s no shortage of free database software. I probably start with sqlight to keep things portable and fluid. Moving to Maria or Postgres when things get too slow, But then we’re going to have to host it. Anonymous hosting is a completely different ball of wax.
    
    Storing the data would get out of hand quickly. It’s trivial enough to buy a single 20 tb hard drive and store more than we’d need for years. But then hosting it anonymously would be difficult to say the least. Even the markers of these conversations would be traceable enough for us to be located. Paying for a private enough nude to be safe is going to be pricey over time.
    
    I’m sure archive.org would take it, But honestly I wouldn’t put $5 on them surviving a couple of years into the new administration. What they’re doing is to inconvenient to too many corporations with deep pockets.
    
    IPFS would work, well about as well as it works anyway, but that’s the opposite of anonymous.
    
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Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I’m going to do a shameful plug here, but I have made a sharing protocol & implementation that can be used to store data safely and also to safely share this data.

It’s called (Tenfingers)[tenfingers.org]

It’s working but it is still in its infancy, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please do say what you think about it!

Lets keep the morale!

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- RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Nice to know. I’m starting to think targeted groups will either use stuff like this or IPFS, or have to resort to the dark web.
  
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Feel free to propagate the good word :-)
    
    I’m up if someone/some group wants to know more about it, please do tell. For example it can replace IPFS and IMO it’s way easier to setup and use.
    
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- blackstampede@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I poked around and couldn’t find a repo link. Can you point me to that?
  
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Sure! Here it is:
    
    codeberg.org/Valmond/Tenfingers
    
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- Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  This looks really interesting, so if I have a folder on a computer and I have it setup to share, then any time something gets added to that folder then is it automatically updated for anyone with the link?
  
  Also, where should people go to help, or find out how to help?
  
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Thanks!
    
    You have to manually update your folder (but that can obviously be automated) otherwise yes that’s it!
    
    For more i formation, you can just follow the link in my post. I have also set up a community tenfingers@lemmy.mindoki.com but it is very empty at the moment.
    
    Or just look for me, Valmond, and pop a question :-)
    
    To help? I confess I’m a disaster for PR so I’m just doing my best, but if you’d set up a node that would really be helpful to iron out problems, and with feedback make the setup&usage simpler etc. For example, small files are shared “for free” (configurable) but if your folder is big (for example), then you need nodes in the network to want to share big things too.
    
    You can obviously just put the links to bigger already shared data in the folder to make things smoother.
    
    So trying it out and giving feedback would be fantastic!
    
    Cheers
    
    Valmond
    
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BonerMan@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Pack everything and leave

In reality we (the internet people) still have the stuff.

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- Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  To where, exactly?
  
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- morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  How do you convince the new place to let you stay?
  
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  - BonerMan@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Say you are a refugee because you have to fear your safety. At best be LGBT or a minority. Or just go to Germany and become a citizen, its not that hard.
    
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philpo@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
You can easily keep Wikipedia around - burn it on archive BDs(M-Disc), they are easily hidden, can take the whole Wikipedia in one disk and basic information is extremely valuable in an oppressive regime. Then do the same for a collection of E-Books based on what is most likely to be banned/what the right wing does take the biggest offence on. And what aids you the most in either getting out or resist.

Using archive BDs(M-Discs) is important as regular storage devices can easily be detected due to their metallic contents and they degrade within years. M-Discs are far more resilient and can be almost as easily hidden.

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- bamfic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  WTF is a BDSM disc? Some kind of kink thing?
  
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  - SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC
    
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Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Apparently porn based on all the bans in the south.

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ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Honestly, everything. Any TV show, movie, documentary, book, or hell even porn that could be deemed as valuable or important in any way as I could see any one of these things becoming outlawed with such a regime. Hell, Canada’s new prime minister (99% chance to win in the next election apparently) is going to try for putting porn behind digital IDs (despite claiming to be against digital IDs before if I remember correctly) which is just going to be a privacy nightmare unfortunately.

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- thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  $ changed his mind, just like musky boi
  
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dsilverz@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
There was a similar question at another community. I’ll verbatim my reply:

As a syncretic Luciferian currently, I’d say esoteric and occult books/grimoires as well. Everything that’s deemed “demonic” by christianity should be safely archived.

There are many, many authors and books that hold importance for esoteric and occult studies and practices.

An example that comes to mind are the books written by Anton LaVey, especially the The Satanic Bible. As he was american, so are his books’ first copies from, so a greater risk of those copies being seized or something.

While this risk wouldn’t be the same for all corpora written by Aleister Crowley, as he was English so the first copies aren’t at american soil (if I guessed correctly), I’m not sure how far a christotyrannical regime would go for “serving God’s will”.

So, in summary, I’d say everything should be archived. Both physically and digitally. It’s worth mentioning how Internet Archive is being attacked: the Internet Archive holds many digital copies of important esoteric and occult knowledge as well. If Internet Archive goes permanently down, it’d ripple to other sites such as sacred-texts.

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HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
!datahoarder@lemmy.ml

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arin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Archive their heads like how the French did it. Guillotine is in the history for a reason

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scratch@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Download and save the evidence of their crimes before they have a chance to erase them. This includes the January 6th report, the evidence that Jack Smith has collected if it becomes publicly available, Trump’s recorded deposition in the E Jean Carroll case, etc…

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InSamsara@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Damian Haglund’s website, it’s an exquisite piece of knowledge.

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