When somebody backs up their argument with a 90-minute video

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• Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This shit happens far too often. Between the YouTube links that “prove” their bullshit, to the thousand-word copypasta essay that doesn’t contain a single original thought.

  Yeah. I’m not doing that.

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Or, worse, the essay doesn’t support their argument at all. Because they didn’t actually read it in the first place.

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    • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ve had people link articles to me for their argument that actually substantiated mine.

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    • barsquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I see we have all independently encountered the same individuals.

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  • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Your loss, you would just have to educate yourself on basic shit, here’s a short one for your attention span.

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    • Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You know links are shown in thumbnails, right?

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    • MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Only video that’s ever made sense to me.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s right, disregard the rock solid evidence they laid out!! /s

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  • Wooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Professional whinging is so hard

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• cerement@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  plot twist: it’s a Jenny Nicholson video

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  • veroxii@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fuck it, I’m in!

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I watched/listened to her rant about some Star Wars hotel that I didn’t know existed, while it existed, for 4 hours! Wish I had gone to Disneyland while she was a guide.

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sometimes I back up my argument with wntire books lmao. Its not usually for the person I am arguing with. Its for the people who see the argument and are curious

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You should be able to explicate your own argument, though. “Read this book” isn’t convincing on its own.

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    • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Oh for sure, I don’t just say, “you’re wrong read this book” lol.

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, you need to take specific portions of the book to support your argument. I won’t just say “read Fanon” but will give a a specific example from the book in addition to the more general example of the entire work, plus encourage them to read more.

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  • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Einstein said if you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it.

    Also drag likes your name.

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    • kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Agree with that 100 % I have a degree in Philosophy and that’s a reoccurring dynamic I saw with people trying to baffle with bullshit rather than make a cogent argument

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    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I would’ve loved to hear him explain general relativity to an elementary school kid. No bowling ball on trampoline nonsense either!

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  • morrowind@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Honestly such a power move

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    • towerful@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Just point to the dictionary. “Draw your own conclusions, bro”

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• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is my reaction anytime I Google virtually anything. Stop fucking recommending videos, Google. We’re not fucking interested.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You are not fucking interested. We, as Google’s customer base, want everything in video format because we are allergic to reading. If it pisses off 1% of users (which is ten of millions of people), so be it, still profit.

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    • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If only there were a way to search specifically for videos. That would be convenient.

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  • vithigar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m with you. This shift over the last decade or so to everything being in video essay format is infuriating. Especially when I’m trying to look up instructions for something that could just be a five item bulleted list or a single image but instead is stretched out into a ten minute video.

    There have actually been a few times I’ve given up on finding some piece of information or instructions I wanted because I could only find video sources.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There are also the SEO sites, you search for how to write a file in python and you get 20 pages about file writing and why that is used, the history of python and more until you, maybe, get the simple one liner you forgot about.

      And I use an ad blocker.

      I know it’s so google thinks I’m enjoying myself on that site because I stay there “longer”, and thus thinks it’s a good site, but would it be so hard to have a search engine just straight out exclude large sites? I mean it does clearly not work well.

      Fuck, exclude all “dynamic” ones too. Back to pure html! 😺

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A reference should contain a timestamp or a page number. That’s always been the standard for citations. You don’t just reference a book.

  Also, whatever claim from the original material supports your argument should be quoted or paraphrased by you in your argument.

  Citations aren’t the same as bibliography. A citation is just in case a person doesn’t trust your claim that “A said X”; they can follow your citation to check if that’s true.

  Bibliography is further reading, if a person wants to know more about what you’re saying.

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• kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Oh hell yes! I also feel that people who can’t summarise their argument likely don’t understand it

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Amen. That’s often what I say to them: if you can’t describe the argument you didn’t understand it.

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• Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Did we just discover a fundamental force of the internet?

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s brutal.

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• AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  me when people say i’m not allowed to exist in a leftist space unless i’ve read all of these five books on theory cover to cover

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  • Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    As someone who has read those 5 books, and the next 5, and the next 5 and so on, those people never go away. I still recommend those books but in my experience they’re almost always in-group signalling and not coming up with a new synthesis of the material as understood through their own unique experiences as a worker. Actually those people will be the first to tell you that experience doesn’t matter its actually their experience reading books that matters.

    “The traditions of dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the minds of the living.” is as true for the left as it is any other tradition.

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• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Been there. Skimmed four fucking Youtube links. Reported back to explain in detail why the other guy was wrong about all of them. Didn’t work.

  This is why enforced civility is a failure of moderation. People need the ability to say, “fuck off.” Not just “I strongly disagree and question your motives and blah blah blah.” We must be able to communicate: this is stupid, you’re being an asshole, polite consideration would be lending undue legitimacy.

  Otherwise any stupid asshole can blather on about whatever and demand to be treated like they have a point. Mods who don’t remove those people pre-emptively don’t understand their role. Mods who actively protect those people are bastards.

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• WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I love everthing about this.

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Perfect response.

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• someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I got a YouTube link to a 30 minute mumbler.

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