PAYDAY 3 will use Denuvo anti-piracy technology in its PC version

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨GamerKick@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

The official Steam page for Deep Silver and Starbreeze’s PAYDAY 3 game has been updated to show the use of this ever-controversial third-party DRM.

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CriticalMiss@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
I like to use Denuvo as an indicator of a bad release. For someone with over 2k hours on PAYDAY 2, I just cancelled my preorder.

Thank you for the fun times OVERKILL, sad to see you go this way.

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- CatZoomies@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
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  - Ultra980@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Don’t forget KSP2! Worst €50 I’ve spent.
    
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  - BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    What was broken in Returnal on launch? Unless you mean the pc relaunch, I didn’t pay attention to that.
    
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  - dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    What was broken about Returnal?
    
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  - Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Based
    
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  - kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    It really depends. There are some fan-fucking-tastic games that I did preorder, like FFXVI, Metro Exodus, SF6, TLOU:2 (I didn’t like the story, gameplay + graphics saved it for me), Zelda: TOTK, Elden Ring… the list goes on.
    
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- Kerandir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I don’t know a lot about Denuvo, is it a bad thing? Why did you cancel your pre order based on that?
  
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  - CriticalMiss@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    It’s a DRM scheme to protect against piracy. Over the years I saw more and more shitty titles use Denuvo on release because God forbid someone steal their cash grab. A lot of titles that are of quality usually do not see the need for Denuvo.
    
    Therefore, nowadays, for me Denuvo serves as an indicator of a potentially shitty release. They slap Denuvo on top of it so that they can pump & dump.
    
    Maybe I’ll buy the game when it’s on sale, but for now I am too skeptical, especially since slapping additional DRM on an already DRM’d game (it’s multiplayer only and always online, unlike previous parts that allowed offline play) does not make any sense to me.
    
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  - Miqo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    It’s a very obnoxious and heavy-handed approach to anti-piracy measures. It slows down games, kills framerates, gives users a whole host of other performance issues, and just makes the experience worse overall. It’s a product that doesn’t even seem to care to improve, because they make their money from publishers, not the people who buy and play the game. Many people hate it, and I believe it’s absolutely justified.
    
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  - Braydox_ofAstroya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Denuvo in particular causes performance issues. And drm in general just gives the paying customer an inferior product when the pirates will just just get the better version.
    
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  - qaz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    It’s DRM known for causing performance issues.
    
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Norgur@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Denuvo has become a very strong indicator to me that not the game devs are calling the shots during development, but the Excel-sheet-business-suit-monkeys are.

Only some business-fool would look at a proposal to buy that piece of performance-guzzling crap and go "Hey, then everyone who'd be a pirate otherwise will buy my product and spend money in muh cash shop, that's totally worth the investment", ignoring the immense drawbacks for paying costumers.

especially in a frickin' coop-shooter where piracy will never be as big of a deal because people want to play together with others on your frickin' servers anyway....

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- forgotaboutlaye@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Yeah, I don't get it -- the game is essentially online-only (not sure if you can play with bot teammates like the previous titles, but that wasn't too enjoyable anyway). Why pay for Denuvo as well unless you're out of touch?
  
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  - 520@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    If past Payday games are anything to go by, you can play offline with just bots.
    
    You wouldn't want to, and it's not the point if the game, but you can.
    
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ilickfrogs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Bro who tf is stealing Payday let alone to play alone. What a waste of money and a fuck you to paying customers.

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- havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  That’s the thing, the game is already online only, why do they need anti piracy DRM on top of it?
  
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  - isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    I think it may be more anti-cheat than anti-piracy, but Denuvo in particular can fuck itself
    
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  - Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    DRM is part of an anti-cheat solution. Just like not being F2P is
    
    If authentication is not properly checked, spinning up new accounts to evade bans becomes trivial. This is why so many live games will be “buy to own” or have different tiers in matchmaking that boil down to “spend five bucks on anything to play the real game”. And same with DRM checking for pirated copies.
    
    The other aspect is regional restriction. Not sure if denuvo specifically does this, but you can pretty easily check what region a game was purchased for and what region it is playing in. If all those dirt cheap Brazilian copies are being played in Kansas? Report an error. It prevents people from exploiting regional pricing while still allowing those who have ridiculously low purchasing power to buy anything… and it mostly just screws over people who travel.
    
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- Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Overkill blew all their money with that WW2 spin off. And it crashed so hard there was a John Cleese shaped crater where it hit rock bottom.
  
  They were only able to make Payday 3 with significant external investment. So basically, PD3 is going to be a gutted and whored game since those investors will get significant say what goes into the game. Denuovo just being the most obvious right now.
  
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simple@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Isn’t the game going to be online only in the first place? They’re adding DRM on top of their DRM?

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- Roundcat@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  "Yo dawg! Heard you like DRM!"
  
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- ayaya@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  You’re right. And even disregarding always online and/or GaaS elements if it’s anything like the other two PAYDAY games there is pretty much no reason to play it offline. It is a co-op game through and through.
  
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HellAwaits@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Online only game adds more DRM with Denuvo.

Go fuck yourself, Deep Silver.

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Dwalin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Golden Rule: Denuvo games exist if and only if cracked by EMPRESS

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Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
“Payday 3 garantees an objecticely worse user experience at launch on pc version”

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reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
seems like a great way to punish honest people every time they try to play your game and mildly inconvenience pirates for about a week

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- paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Fwiw, Denuvo is actually really hard to crack. There’s like one well-known person who is capable and she’s incredibly unlikeable. Agreeable sentiment though; Denuvo sucks and harms legitimate consumers (arguably more than it inconveniences pirates).
  
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  - TheIceKaguyaCometh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    I really doubt pirates or even any average person are going to worry about the beliefs of the person cracking the game.
    
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  - reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    If one person can crack it and is willing to distribute it then everyone can get a cracked copy. Such is the nature of the internet.
    
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xaxl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
The price of this game makes it one you should definitely be a patient gamer on. Not only will you save a ton of money but it’ll probably be Denuvo free eventually too.

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Gamey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
It’s probably unlikely to happwn soon but in that case the only right answer is piracy once they found a way around this shit again!

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- Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I think we’re down to only 1, maybe 2 people that can crack Denuovo. One of them is a raging psychopath lol
  
  I think in the end Denuovo is going to win. :(
  
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  - FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Nah… in the end, indie developers and people who don’t want to blow 70+ on an unfinished poorly optimized pile of shit with Denuvo icing will win.
    
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  - Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Honestly, good. It’s made devs want to release on PC again.
    
    It’s now the price of GPUs that’s really holding it back.
    
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Ethalis@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
It’ll be on game pass so I’ll probably still test it out, but I really don’t get why a Payday game would need anti-piracy measures since the whole point is to play co-op

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nogrub@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
guess what game i will never play even if i wanted to my os kinda dosen’t do kernel pevel drm

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- Eric_Pollock@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  What os is it out of curiosity?
  
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  - nogrub@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    the linux system that shall not be named (arch) since it has such a negative stigma i don’t want to scream at everyone that i use it ^^
    
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Fubar91@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
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- Numuruzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I could be misremembering and I’m not going to look it up right now, but I believe Payday 2 lost to corpo greed long ago when they added a bunch of microtransactions. There was also something about the original devs being screwed over if memory serves.
  
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  - Fubar91@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    I remember an apology being issued about slightly iirc.
    
    Personally, I’m fine with mtx if it supports continual development of a game i paid for and enjoyed prior to them being added. As long as the actual meaningful game additions are free or 1-time transactions.
    
    What i don’t like is constant FOMO based p2w mechanics that are a requirement to play in any meaningful way, like most mobile time walled games. I also don’t like when corpos make decisions like adding DRM to an always online game, that is known to impact users, just points to a devs inability or a monetary kick back of said 3rd party drm to the devs shareholders.
    
    Shitty situation overall however :(
    
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Zoot_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
The constant updates and online features were reason enough to not pirate payday 2 tbh. This is no good. Just lost a customer. Sad

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- FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Agreed. I gave up on PD2 because their update scheme involved reinstalling the goddamned game every couple of weeks. Massive pain in the ass for a hotfix.
  
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Secret300@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Good to know I should download the free version instead

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kapx132@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Arent Deep Silver the guys who fecked up the new Saints Row?

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- codemaster@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Yes they are
  
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theAndrewJeff@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Oh, this game’s gonna have a rough launch won’t it?

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tev@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
booooooo

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SageWaterDragon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Good implementations of Denuvo have such a minimal impact on the quality of the game experience that I tend towards optimism when I hear this kind of news. That said, bad implementations of Denuvo cripple the game in a way that previous horrible DRM schemes could only dream of. I’m not planning on playing Payday 3 (I never had any fun with 1 or 2), but I hope that this is the former situation for its fans.

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- bonfire921@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I agree with your statement.
  
  The main problem lies with the fact that the game already is online only, so adding denuvo feels a bit like a fuck you sign from the publishers. And adding the fact that payday 2 thrives from the modding community makes it hard to know if modding will be possible and encouraged by the devs with payday 3
  
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- bigschnitz@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  DRM takes away from development budget (it isn’t free). If they are charging me for the experience, I don’t want to fund something that, best case, detracts from my experience using the product. If there were an actual argument that the drm would prevent developer losses (I’m willing to ignore the overwhelming data suggesting piracy, in fact, leads to increased profits), I’d be somewhat sympathetic, however this is an online only, co-op game that requires server handshakes. There is not even a hypothetical benefit to invasive DRM, so why would I agree to pay for it?
  
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dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
As usual, any announcement of Denuvo in a PC game is met with immediate ire, ostensibly from the gaming community. But you already knew that Denuvo doesn’t affect performance unless it’s configured to make an extreme amount of checks, and it definitely doesn’t ruin hard drives. You wouldn’t share reactionary misinformation would you?

Be honest. You just hate that pirating the game is going to be more difficult.

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- OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Be honest, you’re a denuvo/DRM shill.
  
  We don’t already know it doesn’t impact performance, we don’t know what checks it will make, and we don’t know that denuvo ACTUALLY impacts sale numbers by convincing those mean old pirates to buy their game.
  
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  - ram@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    
    we don’t know that denuvo ACTUALLY impacts sale numbers by convincing those mean old pirates to buy their game
    
    But we do now it improves sales, that’s why every game publisher that can afford it is using it. They have years of data to prove it. What do you have?
    
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  - beefcat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    That’s what reviews are for. If the game runs poorly, don’t buy it. Whether the bad performance is caused by Denuvo is irrelevant to my purchasing decisions.
    
    There have been good and bad implementations of Denuvo. It’s disingenuous to pretend all games go one way or the other when there are so many examples of both.
    
    Calling people shills is really shitty behavior. All you’re doing is inciting conflict, not contributing to any rational discussion.
    
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- beefcat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  You are correct, but you’re getting downvoted by people who buy into FUD or are just upset that they can’t get cracks day 1 like they used to.
  
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traveler01@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
I’m here just hoping it will be a good game.

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nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
So no mods then? Goodbye

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- beefcat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  Since when does Denuvo block mods?
  
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  - nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    When it doesn’t allow DLC unlockers (which Denuvo blocks)
    
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dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Multi-decade old history repeating itself. This will only harm people who actually waste their money

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Jeraxus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
It look like the drm isn’t here to protect the game but the microtransaction system. This greedy 40$ freemium system remind me ovewatch…

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- Blaster_M@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  If the server side security is done properly, nothing the client can do can crack that.
  
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  - Jeraxus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    One can surely run his own server for payday 3 to connect to. I’m not really knowledgable about game hacking but I guess a DRM will make this more difficult.
    
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Braydox_ofAstroya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Boooo.

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Nioxic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Not forever… its a monthly fee, to denuvo, so they all end up removing it eventually

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WorldieBoi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
That’s going to be a No from me dog.

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Streamer@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
Damnit.

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