This is fascinating! Both of them accelerate toward the earth at the same rate, but because of the bowling ball’s greater mass, the EARTH accelerates faster toward the bowling ball than it does toward the feather, so it’s imperceptibly faster XD
Falling
Submitted 11 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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brown567@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
But they are being dropped at the same time for dramatic effect, so the earth will also be accelerating towards the feather at bowling ball speeds because the feather is next to the bowling ball, therefore they still land at the same time.
Dwomen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That’s only be true if the feather was in the same position as the ball. Otherwise, the earth is moving ever so slightly more towards the ball.
lauha@lemmy.one 11 months ago
No, because the earth is accelerating towards the bowling ball and the feather is next to the bowling ball, the force vector is (ever so slightly) greater towards the bowling ball than the feather, thus the bowling ball drops faster
iz_ok@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
Can someone explain how the Earth accelerates towards an object? Is this just because objects with mass attract things?
candybrie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You got it.
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Yes. And that force is proportional to acceleration so it accelerates earth
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
In the same way that earth has gravity that attracts objects, the objects have gravity that attracts earth. See also Newton’s third law, also known as “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” - for the earth to attract something, the earth also has to be attracted with the same force. It’s just that the earth has a lot more mass, so the force barely accelerates it.
Cybermonk_Taiji@r.nf 11 months ago
Being attracted to something and actually being moved by it are different things.
This is all idiotic akshuallee technikali
And it’s stupid.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thank you.
Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 11 months ago
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 11 months ago
That’s a good one. Did not know that xkcd yet.
Granixo@feddit.cl 11 months ago
It’s not even because it’s heavier, it’s because it’s way more dense.
shutz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
It’s not density, it’s mass. A mass of 1kg compressed to the density of the Sun’s core would pull the Earth with just as much force as a 1kg ball of styrofoam.
rockerface@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And is the Sun was replaced with a black hole of the same mass, the Earth would just keep on rotating around it without issues, if slightly frozen
Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Just to add some formality to it, the original commenter might want to look up the shell theorem for classical mechanics and Birkhoff’s theorem for general relativity.
Carrolade@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The guy on the right, if he be so wise in the ways of science, should be using the word “mass” instead of “weight”.
hddsx@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Can you explain please
KillerTofu@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Heavy is a subjective term based on the force of gravity. You are heavier if we weigh you on the earth compared to if you are weighed on the moon.
Your density in those to examples is unchanged. The amount of mass you have is finite and not subjective like weight.
Granixo@feddit.cl 11 months ago
The feather clearly has a more aerodynamic shape, thus, it wouldn’t fall as fast as a sphere with the same weight.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Does the bowling ball ever so slightly increase the gravitational constant because of it’s greater mass? Is that what the right guy is getting at?
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The gravitational constant G, no, the mutual gravitational force between the earth and the ball approximated as g, yes.
Faresh@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
But how would that make the bowling ball fall faster? F = G × m₁ × m₂ / r² and F = m₁ × a ⇒ a = F / m = G × m₂ / r², where m₁ is the mass of the ball and m₂ the mass of the planet. So the gravitational acceleration of a bowling ball is independent of its mass.
hddsx@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
No. F=GMm/d2. The mass of the earth doesn’t change so g=GM/d2 will not change
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Ah but the earth doesn’t just attract the ball or feather. The bowling ball attracts the earth as well, and since it has more mass, it will pull the earth towards it faster than the feather.
But if you drop them at the same time, that’s moot.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
So why does the bowling ball fall faster in a vacuum? Does it appear faster locally because the heavier object makes local time slower than the lighter object compared to a distant observer? I’m trying to understand what the meme is getting at.
itsnotits@lemmy.world 11 months ago
because of its* greater mass
iceonfire1@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I think the answer to this question changes based on your interpretation of ‘falling faster’. I.e. whether that refers to the total time between the start and end of the fall or to the speed of the feather/ball to an outside observer.
Heavybell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s a video of astronauts doing the heavy thing vs feather in vacuum experiment. I think it was a hammer rather than a bowling ball tho.
thessnake03@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 months ago
they did it on the moon
Heavybell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Balls fall faster because planets are more attracted to objects that are spherical shaped like them.
mako@lemmy.today 11 months ago
I get that the heavier bowling ball affects the acceleration of the earth more than the lighter feather, but I don’t see how that means it’s falling faster as the meme is stating. The bowling ball would meet the earth first when dropped separately and from the same height because the earth is (imperceivably) accelerating toward it faster than it does the falling feather, but both the bowling ball and feather are falling at the same rate due to Earth’s gravitational force.
Or am I missing something?
Adalast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
One definition for a “rate of falling” would comfortably be “the time it takes the surfaces of two free gravitational separated by some distance to meet.” With this in mind, the imperceptible but very real difference in the acceleration of the earth towards the bowling ball would become part of that equation, as it shortens the distance between the two from the other side.
Think of it like a head on collision of two vehicles. You can do the math as two bodies colliding with opposite velocity vectors, or you can arrive at the same mathematical result (at least for some calculations) by considering one of them to be stationary and the other to have the sum of the two speeds in the direction of its original velocity. “Two cars colliding head on at 60mph is the same as one car hitting a brick wall at 120mph.” It is rough and doesn’t work for all calculations, but the idea is the same.
Zehzin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Mythbusters did this one and, surprisingly, the crash is way more fucked up at twice the speed on the wall
bouh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well, considering the scales, the difference is not only imperceptible, I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to measure.
TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 months ago
You’re missing the joke. Middle guy is right. Heavier objects experience greater attractive force but that’s matched by their greater inertia.
thisfro@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Since we are in avaccum
That’s where you’re wrong kiddo
MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 11 months ago
Great, now we need to run the experiment with the bowling ball and feather on opposite sides of the planet!
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This only true when you drop it like it’s hot.
stringere@leminal.space 11 months ago
Right off the chain.
Thunderwolf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I haven’t mentioned anyone give this take, so here’s how I understand it. The feather falls slower in non-vacuum conditions because it reaches its terminal velocity much more quickly than the bowling ball.
Shareni@programming.dev 11 months ago
How would it reach terminal velocity in a vacuum?
Thunderwolf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I imagine terminal velocity with no air resistance would be 9.8m/s/s. I was saying that the feather reaches terminal velocity more quickly than a bowling ball in non-vacuum conditions
4am@lemm.ee 11 months ago
More like failing
pikmeir@lemmy.world 11 months ago
For anyone wondering it’s because the bowling ball slightly pulls the earth faster toward itself. This amount is too small to possibly measure. But imagine if the bowling ball were the size of another Earth and it’s easier to see why it happens.
TheControlled@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thanks for the non-jargon version
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
What the fuck did you say to me you little bitch? I’m going to go get $300 million in funding to create a device so complex and so sensitive that a butterfly sneezing 30 miles away will fuck it up and then I’m going to directly measure the the acceleration of the earth as a result of the mass of that bowling ball. You fucked up, kiddo.
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
The issue isn’t so much the sensitivity (although that is a significant issue), it’s all the other crap going on. You’ll probably be able to filter out the Mains Hum, but every anything moving in the same axis as the test will confount the data.
I’m thinking we might set up the instuments near counterweight energy storage or pumped hydro, and some on the exact opposite side of the planet, and try to measure the movement of the earth that way.
We can already see a change in the length of a day after big earthquakes and dam construction/destruction, but I don’t think the acceleration has ever been measured directly.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
When you drop them at the same time, it doesn’t matter though.
bort@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
because of two bodies can not occupy the same space, the feather and the ball will be in different position when you drop them. And therefor gravitation will pull the earth slightly more toward the ball and slightly less toward the feather.
KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 11 months ago
But being more massive means that due to inertia the ball will take just a tiny little wee bit longer to start moving no? So they end up falling at the same time.
Also, are these Newtonian mechanics? How do they compare to relativity at the “bowling ball and feather” scale?
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. It’s been a while since I read anything physics-related.
MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The acceleration from gravity would be the same no matter the object mass (~9.8m/s²).
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 11 months ago
The above is just referring to the fact that the standard “feather vs. bowling ball” question assumes the earth/moon/ground is immovable. In that case, Newton says they fall the same.
The fact that the ground is not immovable is what’s being referenced — in this picture, things don’t “fall,” they are each accelerated towards each other.