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• GammaGames@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m glad there were emojis in the headline so I knew how to feel about it 🥴

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  • Igloojoe@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    🤣

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• athos77@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”

  If I wanted Facebook shitposts and forwards from KlanMa, I'd've joined Facebook. And I don't believe Meta has good intentions, I believe they want to overwhelm the fediverse, and I believe they want to make money. Middle-manager Cottle and their team may have good intentions, but corporate certainly doesn't, and I certainly don't trust their users.

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  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I wanted Facebook shitposts and forwards from KlanMa, I’d’ve joined Facebook.

    I want to connect and talk to people from the Metaverse (Facebook and Threads, is it called like that?) without using their account and applications. Meta connecting to Fediverse is a good move in my opinion and what the world needs (I’m not sarcastic at the moment). In fact, I wish every company in the world offering social media would connect to the Fediverse. We have builtin ways to block other instances if we don’t like them. Hell even Reddit should do it…

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    • Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I love the idea of the fediverse because it creates a democratized community where anybody can choose to listen to who they want. Unfortunately this attracts very clicky users that feel like they own the fediverse and want to push others out. I’ve seen it a couple times already with people clambering to defederate other instances they don’t like. Thankfully we can just choose to not listen to them, lol.

      I don’t like Facebook and I understand the concerns that Facebook will sort of take over the fediverse from the inside like a parasite. But at the end of the day you can just spin up a vanilla instance and connect with anyone willing to do the same. That’s what’s great about the fediverse.

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    • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can't see anything good coming from a company that actively spreads hatred and racism. Most of came here to get away from reddit and I keep everyone saying fuck spez, fuck reddit but hey let's invite someone who 100 worse than spez to the fediverse. Someone who has no morals at all, someone who admits he doesn't care about privacy. Why? Just so that fediverse can grow? Is it really worth it? So you can speak with friends on threads? Make a threads account and use an ad blocker to talk to them.
      I don't mind bridging with other protocols like bluesky but I don't not see any value in federsting with threads it will only fil the the fediverse with so much crap that we will not able to block it.
      Well that is my opinion anyway

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its a double edged sword. On one hand, what you mentioned. On the other, if any other instance moderated the way Meta does they’d be siloed on the Fedi.

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  • AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes. I will never trust anything that Meta or anyone associated with it say. They can try to spin whatever bullshit they like with their PR speak, but fundamentally they are out to make money.

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  • FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Agreed.

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  • MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not particularly worried about it. I can block them if they annoy me. And on the bright side, their large user base may help make the Fediverse mainstream enough to topple the tech giants.

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    • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can't topple a tech giant with tech giant tech users. The fuck?

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• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My instance will most definitely not be federating with this. It’s Meta. Untrustworthy to the core. I didn’t spin up my own Lemmy server and pay out of pocket monthly just to loop bullshit social media companies back into it.

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• VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

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  • TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How would they even extinguish a whole ecosystem of independent instances? What does that even look like?

    They could very well make some feature or requirement and demand that every single ActivityPub instance uses their version to remain compatible...

    ...and instance hosts can just say no, fork it and keep going unbothered.

    Even buying up some big Lemmies and Mastodons is not going to get them the whole Fediverse.

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    • ToxicWaste@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      from ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne… :

      In 2013, Google realised that most XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users anyway. They didn’t care about respecting a protocol they were not 100% in control. So they pulled the plug and announced they would not be federated anymore.

      Basically keep people from using all the other platforms. Then stop supporting them. Similar like .docx never quite works in the open document editors. At least i refuse to believe that OSS devs are less skilled and motivated.

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    • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They don’t need to kill “every” lemmy/masto instance to kill the ecosystem. You just need to absorb enough of it that the only people left outside of your perversion of the ecosystem are certified weirdos.

      E-Mail was (and still is) an open standard anyone could use. But after decades of getting EEE’d, you’d be hard-pressed to find someone using an E-Mail Not provided by the corporate giants, even like, other enterprises have rolled their e-mails into the Google/Microsoft ecosystems, and ALSO if you have an e-mail address that is outside those domains, normies who are inside the corporate ecosystem will have trouble communicating with you as your address will get autoflagged as spam more often than not.

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• earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lemmy users be like „I fucking love decentralized freedom“, until someone joins they don’t like.

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  • anothermember@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lemmy users be like „I fucking love decentralized freedom“, until someone joins they don’t like.

    No, especially when someone joins that we don’t like. The ability to defederate is the freedom that comes with decentralisation. If there were no bad actors decentralisation wouldn’t be so important.

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This.

      There’s no “fediverse” to join. It’s not an actual place with boundaries and codified rules, beyond those imposed by the communication protocol.

      It’s a free association content sharing network, and free association includes the freedom to not associate.

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    • TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Absolutely. The Fediverse has some gross ass places I don't want to touch with a 10-foot pole.

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  • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think you’re conflating a couple things here.

    Firstly, the notion that Lemmings are xenophobic is false. While there’s evidence to support this claim, on closer inspection you’ll see the issue isn’t about embracing new platforms, but the type of platforms. This attitude goes beyond the Threadiverse and is in fact one of the fundamental attitudes of the fediverse, as exhibited with corporate instances getting fediblocked on mastodon.

    To suggest that everyone is petty because they’re not embracing corporations is a giant stretch.

    Counter to the outright lie that’s being peddled here is the excitement about NodeBB and its ActivityPub implementation.

    Secondly, people hate Facebook and rightfully so.

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also, corporations aren’t “someones”.

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  • 520@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It ain't about people they don't like, it's about a powerful corporation known to be abusive, psychologically manipulative and unafraid to break laws so long as it benefits them.

    You wouldn't want such an entity under your roof either

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    • TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, but I would like to bring some of my friends and family members who use Facebook over to the Fediverse, and I believe it's easier if they can already see what it's like.

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  • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Freedom doesn't mean tolerating racism and hatred.

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  • moitoi@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not the freedom of federating. It’s the freedom of being outside corpo.

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  • GreatDong3000@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I wasn’t trying to get away from Meta I wouldn’t be on fucking lemmy I’d be on facebook. The whole point of me being here is I am trying to get away from them and other big tech platforms :)

    You come to the fediverse for a reason.

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  • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t wanna be that guy, but Lemmy has had, and continues TO HAVE a very noticeable problem with tankies that does impact its reach. None of the people I know want to hang out here because its married to the hip with tankies.

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    • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell them to join an instance that doesn’t federate with tankies 🤷

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• inmatarian@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My concern with this (and other attempts like it) is that the initial integration will of course be done with good intentions by a team who shares the values of the community. And then they will get promotions or move to other jobs within two years and leave the technology to whims of revenue-generating part of the organization who will be merciless with it.

  In terms of damage to the community, it’ll be impossible to talk to the people you want to with ten thousand spamming robots separating you.

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  • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!" to "They may mean well now but they'll turn evil later."

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    • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!"

      No we haven't. I never stopped screaming that.

      I scream it now. Fuck Meta.

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    • GreatDong3000@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We who? Speak for yourself please

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  • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is there a real problem there? One can always find an instance not federated with Meta.

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    • anothermember@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My concern is that the toxic culture from Meta’s platforms will be imported here, and the only way to get away from it would be to not only defederate from Meta but to defederate from anything federated to Meta (essentially creating two fediverses). I hope it doesn’t come to that, but that’s my worry.

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    • inmatarian@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah but, we did already. Right here. I’m assuming that if you’re already a fediverse user, it’s because you left behind facebook, twitter, and the rest. They’re following us and the expectation is just that we’ll keep moving as they make the next thing shitty?

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    • 520@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right now, sure. Will that always be the case?

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  • schwim@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think it will be very easy to find a host that federated from them, making it easy to mitigate the damage.

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    • inmatarian@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By moving to fediverse, we already left them behind. We’re being followed.

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• Binthinkin@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meta is a shitbag company and I hope we can block their shitbag posts in our feeds.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  why sad faces. it looks awesome and i love how excited they are about activitypub embracing open standards should always be encouraged

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  • rimu@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It's quite disarming, isn't it?

    But the nice happy guys coding the thing now are not the ones who are going to make the decisions later which will bring about the extend + extinguish phases, the ads, the crypto or whatever form the enshittification takes.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That means you can interact with your friends on threads without using their app and seeing their ads. It’s a big win.

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• Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hope my and other instances will de-federate from Threads/Meta.

  We don’t need that spyware giant in the fediverse…

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  • Nia_The_Cat@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you for sharing that link.
      And man happy to be on tchncs lately! :D

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jesus some of the names of the blocked instances are disturbing as hell

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• petrescatraian@libranet.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  On one hand, it makes sense for Threads to enable Fediverse integration only on public profiles, technically. With a Threads-only private profile, they can ensure that if you want to delete stuff in your profile or even your profile altogether, this can be deleted for good.

  On the other hand, for people like me, it makes me unable to get in touch with my close ones who might choose to keep their profile on private. If they'd like to keep using the Fediverse in the future, they would have to choose between this or switching their profile view to public, and some people would dislike that.

  This just makes Threads a poor choice for joining the Fediverse.

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  • BarryZuckerkorn@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s the fundamental tension here.

    The right to control your own posts, after posting, imposes an obligation on everyone who archives your posts to delete when you want them deleted.

    For most of the internet, the balance is simply that a person who creates something doesn’t get to control it after it gets distributed to the world. Search engines, archive tools, even individual users can easily save a copy, maybe host that copy for further distribution, maybe even remix and edit it (see every meme format that relies on modification of some original phrase, image, etc.).

    Even private, end to end encrypted conversations are often logged by the other end. You can send me a message and I might screenshot it.

    A lot of us active on the Internet in the 90’s, participating in a lot of discussion around philosophical ideas like “information wants to be free” and “intellectual property is theft” and things like copyleft licenses (GPL), creative commons licensing, etc., wanted that to be the default vision for content created on the internet: freely distributed, never forgotten. Of course, that runs into tension with privacy rights (including the right to be forgotten), and possibly some appropriation concerns (independent artists not getting proper credit and attribution as something gets monetized). It’s not that simple anymore, and the defaults need to be chosen with conscious decisionmaking, while anyone who chooses to go outside of those defaults should be able to do that in a way knowledgeable of what tradeoffs they’re making.

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    • petrescatraian@libranet.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @BarryZuckerkorn that is true. After all, the internet was designed as a tool for communication, so you do need to have your information public to a certain degree. But you also want to have confidentiality, so that your message only gets to your desired audience. That's the bigger problem that all these platforms have.

      Imagine the level of information about us all the historians of the future will have available tho. 😁

      I, for one, don't know how even a certain level of privacy can be achieved in the Fediverse. ActivityPub tries to solve the issue by controlling the access from the get-go, as far as I can see: you compose a post, then set it's visibility to whatever you like before sending the post. Then that privacy setting gets preserved in the original post. That's it. You cannot modify it. But if the post is not sent to a certain server, then it doesn't need to be deleted.

      Diaspora, from what I've heard, takes a different approach: the top-level poster owns the thread, so if there is some issue with trolls hijacking your posts or whatnot, you can simply delete their comments. Yet I don't know what happens when you delete your top-level post. Will the deletion federate? Are other pods only having access to your post or copying it over?

      On Friendica you can activate a setting to disallow anonymous access to your account. That means you can still see what goes to other servers (i.e. try accessing my profile from Beehaw), but when you try to access my profile from the server I am on, you get a Restricted access screen. As I am not a public person, I decided this is a better way to keep my profile a bit more private. One could theoretically still compile all the posts I've sent to all the other servers since I joined, but that's it.

      Meta could have probably done a similar thing here.

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• MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Opt-in only?

  Also only discusses outbound federation, how is inbound content going to work?

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  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair, it is understandable decision, as it would copy and connect data / posts to other servers automatically. On the other hand most people don’t care or understand what this is about and probably never enable it. Still better than nothing in my opinion. Hopefully all new users get a notification and popup to ask if they want to join the Fediverse too. And new user account registration will probably show an option too at registration time.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Seems unlikely. This is Meta’s malicious compliance with MDA or whatever from the EU.

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  • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meta will probably be pretty cautious and strict about what inbound content is allowed, since they have a global quagmire of laws and regulations to comply with and cannot just open up the firehose without significant legal risk. I'd imagine they'd only accept content from vetted instances that agree to some amount of common policy.

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    • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The whole thing is a preemptive move for EU laws requiring “gatekeepers” to allow interoperability with their ecosystem. Facebook is likely to accept any EU registered instance that is also subject to EU laws… and they may not bother with instances from regions that don’t require them to do so.

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• onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  With all the hate towards Facebook, my prediction is there will be two fediverses: one that federates with Facebook and the other that doesn’t. We’ll see how that plays out.

  CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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  • sab@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, the ones that federate with Meta will still be federated with those who don't. So it's really no different from what the Fediverse is already: Fragmented by design.

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What I mean is that non-facebook fediverse will also transitively disconnect from facebook: if you federate with facebook or allow any instance in your federation network to connect to facebook --> disconnect. Effectively 2 networks.

      CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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  • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are well over 10 “fediverses” already:

    • Federates with Lemmygrad
    • Federates with Hexbear
    • Federates with LemmyWorld
    • Federates with NSFW
    • Federates with hardcore NSFW
    • Federates with piracy
    • … etc.

    One more won’t change a thing, it’s working as intended.

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You may have a point 🤔 Hadn’t considered that. Well, it’s fine. That’s the freedom provided by the protocol. Might as well embrace it.

      CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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• clgoh@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s the future. All networks connected, but I control what’s in my feed.

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  • blargerer@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Its basically also the past right? RSS feeds.

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    • clgoh@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How do you reply to a RSS feed?

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• KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I feel like its worth pointing out other Mastodon users can block an entire ActivityPub domain if they want. This could be a problem, but you have a great deal of control in how much reach Threads has on your account and instance.

  I have accounts on both Threads and Mastodon and will keep using both.

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• BioDriver@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I sincerely hope beehaw doesn’t federate with Meta. They’re pure evil

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  • takeda@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exactly, let’s not repeat the history.

    The so great (at the time) Google that was so friendly to users (at the time), destroyed Jabber/XMPP that way.

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• HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This will probably be enough for me to convince my organisation to quit Twitter and spin up their own Mastodon instance if Incan te them that they will be able to reach Threads users

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