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• TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don't think isolationism is going to help the Fediverse thrive, or that there are no worthwhile users on Facebook platforms that could be persuaded to come this way if they get to see what it's like.

  Having to deal with toxicity from that would suck, but it's not as if the Fediverse is this pure untainted land either. Worst comes to worst, instances can defederate them.

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  • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am not saying we should completely isolate us. As I said I open with bridging with other protocols. But I am against fedeting with Facebook because yes we are not a pure land but in comparison to the hell that is Facebook it's better here.
    Defederating with other instances can only do so much if not everyone does it

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    • TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think in this discussion people aren't putting in perspective that Facebook as a platform can suck but that doesn't mean all their userbase is terrible and ill-intentioned. There's a lot of different people there that could become good contributors in the Fediverse.

      I don't think we should invite Mark Zuckerberg to get the reins of Lemmy, but if some of the artists at Instagram and Threads decide that Mastodon is worthwhile, that'd be pretty good.

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      • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No we take that into perspective but the good does not outweigh the damage that all the toxic people will do.

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• thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  (hi ya!) Yes, totally understandable. The thing is, I am not inviting spez or suckerburg, but the users. They don’t take control over Fediverse and we have the ability to block any instance or person we want. It’s not just that Fediverse can grow, but so that it becomes the standard protocol to communicate with others. Fediverse isn’t a specific platform. It’s basically asking for every game company open to cross play games or that Windows users can write with Linux users through web technology, with their favorite applications, accounts and servers. Finally we have an universal protocol that can be adapted by anyone, similar to what HTML became for websites.

  I understand the concerns, and there is also a reason why I left Facebook over 10 years ago, don’t use Twitter and Reddit.

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  • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I get what you say but Facebook is full of toxic users it's not suckerberg the problem. And defederating will not help because you will have to defenderate also with instances that want to federate with Facebook or else the messages will eventually come through. At least that how I
    understand federation works. So eventually you would have to fediverses.
    I would love to have a unifiying protocol but I really don't think it will work. It will split people eventually someone will fork the protocol so that it can not federate with Facebook, splitting it.

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    • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, that would zuck, if it works like this and we cannot de-federate effectively. This problem needs to be solved off course, but that is something that can be integrated later. But the important part is, let the users federate if they want, let them decide. But that off course should only happen if the system is working correctly (such as entirely federating, like you suggested).

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      • PrimalHero@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am not sure it can be fixed because that is just how federation works else the activity pub would have to rewriten from scratch.
        I don't see the fork being compatible because that is the reason to fork it in the first place, people not agreeing with what should be federated or not.

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