double slit

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• 342345@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • Miphera@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seeing your comment inspired me to make this

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    • thrawn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is a really high quality edit, I’m genuinely impressed. Probably not too much work mechanically but the attention to detail is great and someone who’s never seen it would probably think it was original. If I were a meme edit rater it would rank very high on my list. I don’t know how to make this comment not sound sarcastic or boomer-y but I actually really love this edit and will send it to people. They won’t understand it but that’s fine.

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    • Thassodar@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I lost it.

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    • Ashen@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Holy shit, that’s incredible.

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thats really not how it works though…

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    • kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then don’t look at it

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    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then just round your anger. You don’t need that much precision.

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    • sibannac@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      is this what loss feels like?

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  • IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Im not going to explain this again… OK!.. its not looking, its measure that changes the result of the experiment. To measure implies interaction.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think the meme is just poking fun at the physics behind the whole thing, but in case anyone doesn’t know:

  It’s called the observer effect, and it happens because:

  This is often the result of utilizing instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner.

  And particularly in the double-slit experiment:

  Physicists have found that observation of quantum phenomena by a detector or an instrument can change the measured results of this experiment.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

  So for anyone who wants to have a surface understanding of the observer effect, the wiki does a fair job of the basic explanation.

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  • IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep, the observer it is not only observing, it is interacting in order to measure.

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  • humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The meme is not about the observer effect or wavefunction collapse

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    • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah it is. From that wiki article:

      A notable example of the observer effect occurs in quantum mechanics, as demonstrated by the double-slit experiment"

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    • troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Super curious, and promise not to argue. What, in your summation, is the meme about?

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• K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Maybe consciousness is fundamental and matter and spacetime are derived from it

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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Consciousness has literally nothing to do with it. In fact, the experiment as demonstrated in this emem would not replicate the double slit results. What has to happen is something along the path has to interfere with the photon (aka observe, which has nothing to do with consciousness, rather just an interaction), which causes the waveform to collapse. Basically, if something needs to know the state, the state collapses into one result. It doesn’t matter what that thing is.

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    • K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Idk that would depend on what you believe is fundamental lol Fringe science baby!

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  • DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Consciousness is not part of the observer effect (which is itself named in the most infuriating way possible, specifically because it makes people think that the universe is somehow aware of when something sentient is looking at it). “Observing” a particle requires interacting with it in such a way that you meaningfully affect its current state of being, whether that be deflecting it in a different direction than it was going or changing its velocity, and therefore it is impossible at a quantum level to be a passive observer that does not influence the outcome.

    In the case of the double slit experiment, if unobserved light will act as a wave with interference and if observed then it acts like a particle. The reason for this is both complicated and simple: light behaves as a wave due to probability. There’s no way of observing a photon without influencing it, so therefore the best we can do is say it has a certain probability of being in this collection of spaces, which in the case of photons is a wave (because it can travel in any of a number of directions outwards from the photon emitter in the experiment, but all going away from the emitter and towards the wall the slits are cut into). For the purposes of this probability wave, the start position is the emitter and the end position is the wall behind the slits, so averaging out a large number of photons will recreate the interference pattern on the wall.

    However, if you observe the photons at the slits to try and figure out which slits they’re going through you have influenced the photons and thus collapsed that probability wave into a particle, and in the process created a new probability wave from that moment onwards which has the same end position as the original wave, but now starts at the individual slit. From its perspective, there is no second slit, so now the wave acts as if it is in the single slit setup because from its perspective it is, hence the loss of interference.

    Nothing here has anything to do with consciousness. You can recreate this experiment with no one in the room and it will behave exactly the same, and has a sound (if very confusing conventionally) mathematical cause.

    On a side note, string theory is effectively unfalsifiable and therefore completely useless as a scientific theory.

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    • K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nothing here has anything to do with consciousness. You can recreate this experiment with no one in the room and it will behave exactly the same, and has a sound (if very confusing conventionally) mathematical cause.

      First I was commenting on a meme wasn’t expecting these comments lol. but we are active in the experiment that is the point to show that it changes states because we observe Why does that happen and why don’t we don’t know it’s position til observed. It doesn’t matter if we are in the room or not we could be 1000 miles away watching on webcam and the same thing happens because we observed it and my side note QM is fucking magic dude

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  • ARk@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please keep cooking until we unlock magical abilities

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    • K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What is magic dude Fucking biobots man

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  • nifty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You need to qualify that statement somehow, or maybe give a citation or source that supports such an idea

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    • K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sure firstly id like to say these are theories just as anything in science starts as. I am not saying this is fact by any means and could be totally wrong. here are some sources:

      Donald Hoffman Ted talk

      Papers by Bernardo Kastrup

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• FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d read a piece that even just having a camera present has the same effect.

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  • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not really it. You need something that measures the state of the electron. Merely looking in the direction is not enough. It has to be something that interacts with the electron.

    A camera alone isn’t enough. But light (eg photons) with enough energy should be enough. But then that energy will manipulate the photon. If you had a completely dark room and pointed a camera at the experiment it wouldn’t change anything.

    It’s kind of like having your cake and eating it too.

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    • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, it turns out that slapping the electron around like with a big stick or whatever causes it to change its behavior, go figure! :-P

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    • FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dammit Jim, I’m a psychologist, not a physicist!

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    • acetanilide@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So if we didn’t need light to see it then it would continue doing whatever it does?

      I wonder how the universe would look if we didn’t need light to see 🤔

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  • sudoreboot@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It isn’t “looking” that is meant by “observation”. “Observation” is meant to convey the idea that something (not necessarily sentient) is in some way interacting with an object in question such that the state(s) of the object affects the state(s) of the “observer” (and vice versa).

    The word is rather misleading in that it might give the impression of a unidirectional type of interaction when it really is the establishment of a bidirectional relationship. The reason one says “I observe the electron” rather than “I am observed by the electron” is that we don’t typically attribute agency to electrons the way we do humans (for good reasons), but they are equally true.

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So you’re telling me the people from The Secret lied to me?!

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• sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It's really frustrating that people who don't understand this experiment have insanely taken into assume that a magic particle spell understands if a human being is watching or not.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Perhaps it would be better to explain why instead of attempting a mic drop based on your superior knowledge?

    It’s called the observer effect, and it happens because:

    This is often the result of utilizing instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner.

    And particularly in the double-slit experiment:

    Physicists have found that observation of quantum phenomena by a detector or an instrument can change the measured results of this experiment.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

    So for anyone who wants to have a surface understanding of the observer effect, the wiki does a fair job of the basic explanation.

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    • sudoreboot@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The interference disappearing from measurement is not really because the instrument alters the state. Or, at least, putting it like that occludes the more fundamental reason.

      Fundamentally, measurements are subject to the uncertainty principle, which dictates that one can not define precisely the values of two complementary observables at the same time. Position and momentum of any quantum object are such complementary observables, so measuring one – for example position – requires that the other (momentum) becomes less defined.

      When the position of a particle is narrowed down to a pixel on a detector screen, its momentum becomes very uncertain and we must talk about all the possible paths it might have been on in order for it to have arrived at that point.

      The probability of a particle being measured at any given pixel is given by the probability of all possible paths combined, but with an important quirk: when combining each possible quantum state, they interfere with each other such that they may cancel out. It’s sort of like adding together vectors on the unit circle - usually the result is a shorter vector. Repeated measurements of positions give you what appears to be wave-like interference due to the way the probabilities of all paths interfere.

      By checking which slit a particle passes through, you exclude all the possible paths through the other slit and end up not observing the same pattern because the two slits simply do not interfere.

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    • oce@jlai.lu ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the issue is that quantum mechanics is hard to popularize without leading people into wrong conclusions, pop science clickbaits make this worse.
      I find it easier to understand if you say that observing necessarily means there’s an exchange of energy, otherwise no information can be retrieved, and however small that information retrieval energy is, quantum systems are so sensitive, that it is enough to modify their behavior.

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• Zerush@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In short

  😐 = Electron if you look

  Image = Electron if you don’t look

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• DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  *Photon

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• subtext@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can’t blame you electron, me too

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• Scrof@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Electron? Is this some fancy lightning gun experiment?

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• JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Me who’s not a physicist

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