Comment on Nobel Prize 2024

IsoSpandy@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem with AI isn’t the tech itself. It’s what capitalism is doing with it. Alongside what you say, using AI to achieve fully automated luxury gay space communism would be wonderful.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe problem is, you know, capitalism?

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    • SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As always!

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Just noticed… Did I reply to wrong comment? I wanted to use this as reply to one with “AI is bad” and without “capitalism makes it bad”.

        Derp.

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• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t get the ai hate sentiment.

  I don’t get what’s not to get. AI is a heap of bullshit that’s piled on top of a decade of cryptobros.

  it’s not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it’s been publicly available.

  shit is going to crash and burn like web3.

  I’ve seen people put full on contracts that are behind NDAs through a public content trained AI.

  I’ve seen developers use cuck-pilot for a year and “never” code again… until the PR is sent back over and over and over again and they have to rewrite it.

  I’ve seen the AI news about new chemicals, new science, new _fill-in-the-blank and it all be PR bullshit.

  so yeah, I don’t believe AI is our savior. can it make some convincing porn? sure. can it do my taxes? probably not.

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  • Vigge93@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are ignoring ALL of the of the positive applications of AI from several decades of development, and only focusing on the negative aspects of generative AI.

    Here is a non-exhaustive list of some applications:

    • In healthcare as a tool for earlier detection and prevention of certain diseases
    • For anomaly detection in intrusion detection system, protecting web servers
    • Disaster relief for identifying the affected areas and aiding in planning the rescue effort
    • Fall detection in e.g. phones and smartwatches that can alert medical services, especially useful for the elderly.
    • Various forecasting applications that can help plan e.g. production to reduce waste. Etc…

    There have even been a lot of good applications of generative AI, e.g. in production, especially for construction, where a generative AI can the functionally same product but with less material, while still maintaining the strength. This reduces cost of manufacturing, and also the environmental impact due to the reduced material usage.

    Does AI have its problems? Sure. Is generative AI being misused and abused? Definitely. But just because some applications are useless it doesn’t mean that the whole field is.

    A hammer can be used to murder someone, that does not mean that all hammers are murder weapons.

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    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      give me at least two peer reviewed articles that AI has had a measurably positive impact on society over the last 24 months.

      shouldn’t be too hard for AI to come up with that, right?

      if you can do that then I’ll admit that AI has potential to become more than a crypto scam.

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      • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He’s already given you 5 examples of positive impact. You’re just moving the goalposts now.

        I’m happy to bash morons who abuse generative AIs in bad applications and I can acknowledge that LLM-fuelled misinformation is a problem, but don’t lump “all AI” together and then deny the very obvious positive impact other applications have had (e.g. in healthcare).

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imaginary and unproven cases for non-existent “intelligence”.

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      • mayo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        These are not imaginary uses cases. Are you generally critical of technology?

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  • renzev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When I hear “AI”, I think of that thing that proofreads my emails and writes boilerplate code. Just a useful tool among a long list of others. Why would I spend emotional effort hating it? I think people who “hate” AI are just as annoying as the people pushing it as the solution to all our problems.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think anybody hates computers or spell check. It’s the grifters pushing phony “AI”.

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    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      when I get an email written by AI, it means the person who sent it doesn’t deem me worth their time to respond to me themselves.

      I get a lot of email that I have to read for work. It used to be about 30 a day that I had to respond to. now that people are using AI, it’s at or over 100 a day.

      I provide technical consulting and give accurate feedback based on my knowledge and experience on the product I have built over the last decade and a half.

      if nobody is reading my email why does it matter if I’m accurate? if generative AI is training on my knowledge and experience where does that leave me in 5 years?

      business is built on trust, AI circumvents that trust by replacing the nuances between partners that grow that trust.

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hi there GreenKnight23!

        I don’t think it’s necessarily you personally they find a waste of time… it might be the layers of fluff that most business emails contain. They don’t know if you’re the sort of person who expects it.

        Best Regards,

        Explodicle<br> Internet Comment Writer<br> sh.itjust.works

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I just hand wave all the good things and call them bullshit, AI is nothing more than bad things!

    • Lemmy

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    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I just hand wave all the bad things and call them amazing, AI is everything but the bad things!

      • cryptobros AI evangelists

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What do you think AI has to do with crypto, other than that they are both technologies which have entered the mainstream recently and been pushed hard? Like, what do they actually have in common?

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Current “AI’s” (LLMs) are only useful for art and non-fact based text. The two things people particularly do not need computers to do for them.

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      • IsoSpandy@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Llms fucking suck. But that’s the worst kind of ai. It’s just an autocorrect on steroids. But you know what a good ai is? The one that give an amino acid sequence predicts it’s 3d structure. It’s mind boggling. We can design personal protein robots with that kind of knowledge.

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      • yankaremonsters@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        hey bitch youre killed two people in your trolley problem. You suck bro. Why did you kill two people? You should be attached on the track bro, not gonna lie.

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it’s not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it’s been publicly available.

    It literally just won people two Nobel prizes

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    • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How does that help the rest of us?

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It allows us to predict the structure of proteins before we make them. This can speed up research into protein-based medical treatments by astronomical amounts-- drugs which took years to develop through trial and error and/or thousands of hours of computational power can now be predicted beforehand in terms of their structure, which allows us to predict how they interact woth the proteins in our body. It’s an incredible breakthrough in the speed of medical research.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hooray for them. \s

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If AI image generation is so bad why we have so many etsy and patreon artists complaining about it?

    If no one would use it because it is so bad why would anyone care that it is trained on their products?

    Do you know this joke about MAGA and the Schrodinger’s immigrant? They somehow believe that immigrants are both stealing people jobs and lazy and living on wellfare.

    AntiAI bros are somehow similar. AI is at the same time stealing artists jobs and completely useless incapable of producing nothing that people would want.

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• AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention to everything that’s happened since the industrial revolution but that’s not how it’s going to work

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• Sas@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is that it will be the rich that are the owners of the AI that stole your job so suddenly we peasants are no longer needed. We won’t be free, we will be broth.

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then you have a choice.

    Option 1. Halt scientific and technological progress and be robbed anyway because if capitalists do not get more money out of tech they are getting it out of making you work more hours for less money.

    Option 2. End capitalism.

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    • Sas@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I vote option 2

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    • oatscoop@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Option 3. Get a job as part of the 5% of the population still employed in serving the various security apparatuses protecting the rich fucks – you could be a soldier, cop, or government official.

      Better to be the boot than be the poor fucked getting stepped on, right? You can sleep easily knowing you have it slightly better than the other 95% of the underclass.

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  • IsoSpandy@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well you see 100 people won’t be able to make soup of trillions. But you know what we a trillion people can do? Run the guillotine for a 100 times

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well you see 100 people won’t be able to make soup of trillions.

      You should check out the climate catastrophe sometime.

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• nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

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• BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would love AI. Still waiting for it. Probably 50 years away (if human society lasts that long).

  What I hate is the term being yet another scientific term to get stolen and watered down by brainless capitalists so they can scam money out of other brainless capitalists.

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  • Randomguy@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What I hate is the term being yet another scientific term to get stolen and watered down created by brainless capitalists researchers and scientists so they can scam money out of describe ideas to other brainless capitalists researchers and scientists.

    The term AI as we use it today has been in use in the field of computer science for more than 50 years

    The term that you describe as AI is what researchers in the field have called AGI for more than a decade.

    The only place where AI is used to mean a artificial intelligence on the same level of humans is in fucking science fiction.

    Is it hard to comprehend that when people say AI on the topic of something made by computer scientists they refer to the thing computer scientists call AI?

    Do you go on gaming conversations and say: “Um… Akshually… it’s not AI… it’s just a behaviour heuristics 🤓”

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Brainless capitalists” weren’t invented in 2019.

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      • Randomguy@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh yes, Alan Turing, such a famous capitalist.

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  they will automate all menial jobs, fire %90 of the workers and ask remaining %10 to oversee the AI automated tasks will also doing all other tasks which can not be automated. all so that shareholders can some more billions on top of their existing billions.

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• NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure, Eli Whitney.

  How about the machines automate the complicated jobs to make as many menial jobs for me as possible? Computers these days are all lazy. They could optimize scheduling so the neighbors and I all get time together and time apart for a hundred hours of kicking dirt down at the office each year, instead they hang around doing vapes and abstract paintings of hands.

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• redwattlebird@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For me, it’s because AI is referring to a LLM, which is not AI. Also, these LLMs use a crap load of energy to do things that we can currently do ourselves for much less energy.

  But actual AI? Yes, please!

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