“Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified”
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Saapas@piefed.zip 1 month ago
I mean, what if the Bad People are N
gurty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Saapas@piefed.zip 1 month ago
That’s the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa.
gurty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And should be on the receiving end.
But I’ve seen people called nazis for extremely trivial things too, and that is the concern there. Punch people because they are nazis. Do not call people nazis so that you can punch them.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A fucking lot of them these days.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Found one
gurty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Card carrying anarchist, so fuck off you pathetic cunt.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
And who issued that card, some sort of authorizing individual or regulatory organization? Sounds suspiciously heirarchal lol
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well.
And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right?
So let’s ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that’s actually being presented, ok?
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i think aesthetics play a major role in idea transfer. this isnt high level shit, it’s actually a very childish view, and the aesthetics of the text display this perfectly.
And it’s not like anyone was acrually discussing the merits of this perspective, at least not when i commented this. im sorry you felt the need to defend this shitpost.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What definition of “Nazi” are we working with here? I assume it’s a set of beliefs and not Germany’s Nazi party from WW2. So what are these beliefs? Genuine question.
mech@feddit.org 1 month ago
Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.
But if the governments don’t punish them for their actions then don’t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, what happened to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 month ago
Read some of the other comments here, happily wanting to take nazis human rights
edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 month ago
By virtue of being nazis they have forfeited the protections of the social contract. I don’t give a fuck about the dehumanization or human rights angle, when a thing exists for the sole purpose of destroying society (like nazism and any supremacism) you remove it by any means necessary from society. You do not allow it to continue because if you do, it will destroy you. Fascism is an existential threat and killing fascists is always self defense.
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They gave those up within their ideology
I’ll kill a charging polar bear too even though I love animals
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I find it amazing that you’re seriously advising people to fight the foot soldiers to no end instead of, you know, the handful of people in that “government” who are responsible for enabling them. The people with the wealth, influence, and technology to rig elections, make enemies and evidence disappear, controvert the law with impunity, and psychologically manipulate the masses.
But yeah fuck it, let’s just stay mad at Bubba on Facebook with a room temp IQ.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
You see the problem here is you’ve decided what I’m arguing and suggesting people do, rather than actually reading my comment. I don’t think I’ve ever stated anywhere that you can’t apply any of what I’ve said to politicians rich CEOs and anybody else who’s at it.
But there is a very important distinction to be made between the people who are actually hurting people and the people who are using because the people who are using them won’t do anything on their own they need their foot soldiers as you call them. Diminish their footstep holders and you diminish their power too it’s all one thing.
tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
A right is something you can claim for yourself. “Being punished for your actions” is not a right. I’d even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn’t be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.
That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.
mech@feddit.org 1 month ago
I’m not surprised. But I don’t condone or celebrate it either.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
The right have it so easy. They are all united together as one group of racist assholes.
The left after deal with a bunch of fence sitters that never want to do anything, who generally just hope that the situation magically results itself on its own. Any suggestion by anyone that maybe it would be a good idea to perhaps do something, is always meant with pushback.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
The death of a Nazi is always a cause for celebration
desra@lemmy.vg 1 month ago
I’ll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.
Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It’s an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.
We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you’re harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.
I’ll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.
mech@feddit.org 1 month ago
Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it’s not high road shit.
When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
The problem we have isn’t that those measures aren’t enough.
It’s that we don’t even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It IS bullshit. No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless. Which is why
It actually is. I can agree not to kill someone unless they have killed or caused comparable harm, but not after. Once someone has breached social contract of decent treatment of others - they are not protected by it in my eyes anymore. Yes, it makes me capable of terrible things. No, I am not giving up that capability just for an idea that “I am good and civilized, unlike others”
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
This. Does. Not. Work.
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn’t have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?
This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 month ago
You talked us into enough shit.
Silence.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Universal” human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another’s rights.
Done and done.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas…
s@piefed.world 1 month ago
Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks
Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 month ago
Except it’s not because killing them isn’t the only option
edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Listen, you don’t convert a nazi. Some can come out of it on their own when the right support is present, but here’s the thing: I’m not obligated to help someone who’s ideology expressly wishes for my death. Until they’re not a nazi by both their own and others metrics they’re an existential threat that should be eliminated with extreme prejudice by any means possible. If that’s reeducation, fine, but that largely doesn’t work. When something is actively trying to kill you right now, today, then you fucking kill it back. Especially when it’s trying to kill you because your skin is darker or you’re queer or your junk doesn’t match your gender. I’ll stop wanting them dead when they stop wanting me dead.
s@piefed.world 1 month ago
What is your method to eliminating the active concentration camps posthaste?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
It is tho
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It’s inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?
Saapas@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Doesn’t seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh
FishFace@piefed.social 1 month ago
If you push back on “punch a nazi” you’ll find how unpopular it is quite quickly
Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 month ago
We are pushing back on “kill everyone accused of being a nazi”.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Punching nazis is morally correct.
mech@feddit.org 1 month ago
Without context, it isn’t.
As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell.
Same with my anti-war stance.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like “we shouldn’t stoop to their levels” which, like yeah, we shouldn’t have to.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Gee, I wonder why
ButteredBread@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Not that I don’t agree but if I was a nazi i would prefer to die anyways. Even if I didn’t get killed my cellmates would probs kill me unless im isolated which is… even worse. Besides if I ever realized how messed up that was i would probs kill myself but idk how likely that is.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Nazis aren’t people
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
The most terrifying thing to me about Nazism and fascism is that, by all psychological and otherwise measurable accounts, people who exhibit its traits are on the whole not that different from any other person you might find without them. Perhaps you could say they found a mental switch—a way of justifying their actions and behaviors—that forfeits one’s humanity in the process, but I believe this line of thinking is flawed.
No, I think Nazis are fully human, which condemns their depravity all the more. They don’t get to escape from the moral weight of what they’ve done by being stripped of the burdens and responsibilities of humanity. We cannot underestimate Nazis, or treat them as though they are mere animals or dumb cogs; they are an example of every single thing a person cannot be and also be allowed to live normal, quiet lives in a just world.
Nazism is a sort of evil that, from what we know, only humans are capable of.