Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.
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Saapas@piefed.zip 21 hours ago
I mean, what if the Bad People are N
mech@feddit.org 19 hours ago
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 46 minutes ago
Nazis aren’t people
echodot@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.
But if the governments don’t punish them for their actions then don’t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, what happened to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.
tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
A right is something you can claim for yourself. “Being punished for your actions” is not a right. I’d even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn’t be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.
That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
I find it amazing that you’re seriously advising people to fight the foot soldiers to no end instead of, you know, the handful of people in that “government” who are responsible for enabling them. The people with the wealth, influence, and technology to rig elections, make enemies and evidence disappear, controvert the law with impunity, and psychologically manipulate the masses.
But yeah fuck it, let’s just stay mad at Bubba on Facebook with a room temp IQ.
echodot@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
You see the problem here is you’ve decided what I’m arguing and suggesting people do, rather than actually reading my comment. I don’t think I’ve ever stated anywhere that you can’t apply any of what I’ve said to politicians rich CEOs and anybody else who’s at it.
But there is a very important distinction to be made between the people who are actually hurting people and the people who are using because the people who are using them won’t do anything on their own they need their foot soldiers as you call them. Diminish their footstep holders and you diminish their power too it’s all one thing.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 17 hours ago
Read some of the other comments here, happily wanting to take nazis human rights
edible_funk@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
By virtue of being nazis they have forfeited the protections of the social contract. I don’t give a fuck about the dehumanization or human rights angle, when a thing exists for the sole purpose of destroying society (like nazism and any supremacism) you remove it by any means necessary from society. You do not allow it to continue because if you do, it will destroy you. Fascism is an existential threat and killing fascists is always self defense.
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
They gave those up within their ideology
I’ll kill a charging polar bear too even though I love animals
mech@feddit.org 17 hours ago
I’m not surprised. But I don’t condone or celebrate it either.
echodot@feddit.uk 16 hours ago
The right have it so easy. They are all united together as one group of racist assholes.
The left after deal with a bunch of fence sitters that never want to do anything, who generally just hope that the situation magically results itself on its own. Any suggestion by anyone that maybe it would be a good idea to perhaps do something, is always meant with pushback.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
The death of a Nazi is always a cause for celebration
desra@lemmy.vg 18 hours ago
I’ll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.
Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It’s an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.
We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you’re harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.
I’ll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.
mech@feddit.org 18 hours ago
Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it’s not high road shit.When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.The problem we have isn’t that those measures aren’t enough.
It’s that we don’t even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.This. Does. Not. Work.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance
It IS bullshit. No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless. Which is why
And it’s not high road shit
It actually is. I can agree not to kill someone unless they have killed or caused comparable harm, but not after. Once someone has breached social contract of decent treatment of others - they are not protected by it in my eyes anymore. Yes, it makes me capable of terrible things. No, I am not giving up that capability just for an idea that “I am good and civilized, unlike others”
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn’t have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?
This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
You talked us into enough shit.
Silence.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
“Universal” human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another’s rights.
Done and done.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas…
s@piefed.world 17 hours ago
Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks
Zwiebel@feddit.org 17 hours ago
Except it’s not because killing them isn’t the only option
edible_funk@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Listen, you don’t convert a nazi. Some can come out of it on their own when the right support is present, but here’s the thing: I’m not obligated to help someone who’s ideology expressly wishes for my death. Until they’re not a nazi by both their own and others metrics they’re an existential threat that should be eliminated with extreme prejudice by any means possible. If that’s reeducation, fine, but that largely doesn’t work. When something is actively trying to kill you right now, today, then you fucking kill it back. Especially when it’s trying to kill you because your skin is darker or you’re queer or your junk doesn’t match your gender. I’ll stop wanting them dead when they stop wanting me dead.
s@piefed.world 16 hours ago
What is your method to eliminating the active concentration camps posthaste?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
It is tho
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It’s inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?
ButteredBread@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Not that I don’t agree but if I was a nazi i would prefer to die anyways. Even if I didn’t get killed my cellmates would probs kill me unless im isolated which is… even worse. Besides if I ever realized how messed up that was i would probs kill myself but idk how likely that is.
Saapas@piefed.zip 18 hours ago
Doesn’t seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh
FishFace@piefed.social 18 hours ago
If you push back on “punch a nazi” you’ll find how unpopular it is quite quickly
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Punching nazis is morally correct.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 17 hours ago
We are pushing back on “kill everyone accused of being a nazi”.
mech@feddit.org 18 hours ago
Without context, it isn’t.
As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell.
Same with my anti-war stance.echodot@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like “we shouldn’t stoop to their levels” which, like yeah, we shouldn’t have to.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell.
Gee, I wonder why
gurty@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
“Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified”
Saapas@piefed.zip 20 hours ago
That’s the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis
edible_funk@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
A fucking lot of them these days.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa.
gurty@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
And should be on the receiving end.
But I’ve seen people called nazis for extremely trivial things too, and that is the concern there. Punch people because they are nazis. Do not call people nazis so that you can punch them.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Found one
gurty@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Card carrying anarchist, so fuck off you pathetic cunt.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
And who issued that card, some sort of authorizing individual or regulatory organization? Sounds suspiciously heirarchal lol
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well.
And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right?
So let’s ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that’s actually being presented, ok?
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
i think aesthetics play a major role in idea transfer. this isnt high level shit, it’s actually a very childish view, and the aesthetics of the text display this perfectly.
And it’s not like anyone was acrually discussing the merits of this perspective, at least not when i commented this. im sorry you felt the need to defend this shitpost.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
What definition of “Nazi” are we working with here? I assume it’s a set of beliefs and not Germany’s Nazi party from WW2. So what are these beliefs? Genuine question.