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hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• scutiger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because most of the world is already on WhatsApp, and changing to Signal would isolate you from most people and businesses.

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  • sanguinepar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    changing to Signal would isolate you from most people and businesses.

    Sounds great - if I wasn’t already using Signal, that just might persuade me 😁

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  • Zeoic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Must be more popular in your country, in Canada I don’t know a single person on whatsapp

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    • bluesheep@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s very big in western Europe. Here in the Netherlands everybody is on WhatsApp pretty much since it’s creation

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      • Pechente@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        In Germany too and I remember how upsetting it was to me from the beginning. There were third party messengers that supported established (at the time) services like ICQ or live messenger but people got onto the hot new thing because it’s so much like SMS.

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      • Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think the whole europe except some countries

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    • UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah they’re all on Facebook Messenger which sucks. I’ve managed to switch a few in my surroundings to Signal but I still need to keep Messenger for holdouts.

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      • Zeoic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thankfully I have managed to get everyone to switch from Messenger to Signal, atleast for talking to me haha. Two other family members being privacy oriented too really helped getting the rest of the family moved over.

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    • OliMoli2137@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Poland , and everybody is on WhatsApp, only a few people have Telegram. Searched a bit of saved phone numbers, none had Signal tied to them

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So what? Don’t support fascism.

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  • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same thing with Twitter and mastodon I guess.

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  • hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Damn shame

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• Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I could move to Signal, open up a chat with myself and chat for a while but I think it would get pretty boring pretty soon.

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• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I thought people on here of all places would understand the impact of the network effect.

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• cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I agree, but the other people all use it 🫠

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• plutopos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  because it’s the de facto sms replacement in many european and south american countries

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So?

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    • plutopos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      sometimes you want to sent text messages to normal people

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• Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because in my country historically the telecom companies are charging 0.30€ per SMS (text) and 2€ per MMS (text with photo).

  So WhatsApp when they launched with their “1€/lifetime” offer on the iPhone 3GS they were the right app at the right time and became the de facto replacement for any kind of messaging. It’s insane how basically overnight they replaced msn messenger and Skype because it was so convenient (Microsoft never did a smartphone client for msn messenger, only unofficial ones. It was available on dumbphones but it used SMS from the plan to send/receive, nobody used it because you needed to be a millionaire to afford it)

  SMS now in my country is only for receiving OTP codes, for the rest is WhatsApp, because still in 2026 the telecoms are still charging 2€ for each MMS sent and nobody wants to risk huge bills. This includes iMessage because if a chat suddenly goes green and you didn’t notice, it costs dozens of euro

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  • tyler@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Your telecoms are ripping you off. SMS messages ‘ride’ on the normal connection mechanism to cell phone towers. If your phone connects to a cell phone tower, it already has the space and data to attach an sms and requires nothing else. SMS are ‘free’ from the infrastructure point of view.

    Maybe lobby your representatives to make charging for them illegal and you’ll get proper messaging back without selling off your data.

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    • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In Italy we don’t have the concept of “lobbying representatives”. It’s a US thing.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lobbying doesnt always have to include €€€.
        It could mean as mich as writing an email to mKe your standpoint known.

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      • tyler@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        data.ipu.org/parliament/IT/…/contact-details/

        There. 5 seconds to figure out how to email your parliament. That’s not an exaggeration.

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  • colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    iMessage because if a chat suddenly goes green and you didn’t notice, it costs dozens of euro

    There’s a setting in iOS to disable that from happening btw

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  • pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well Signal would be pretty much the same as WhatsApp, it sends over internet not mms or sms

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    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The problem is that everyone assumes you have WhatsApp.

      You take clothes to the laundry? The “your order is done” notification is sent via WhatsApp

      Any kind of work stuff is also on WhatsApp

      You order food delivery? WhatsApp

      Amazon started to send delivery notifications via WhatsApp instead of email/sms

      And luckily meta is charging businesses 5 cents for messages via API or otherwise even otp codes would be via whatsapp

      At least here, being reachable only on signal means being a digital exile

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Network effects

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Couldn’t be me… but some people don’t care that Meta can read their messages. Or they still don’t know but I doubt it.

  Mark Zuckerberg has a term for these people…

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  • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “dumbfucks”
    -Markie Zuc

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I know we’re all saying network effects, but I don’t know what the fuck network effects means.

  Network effects dude. Network effects.

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  • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s a simple concept.

    You need at least 2 people to form a conversation.

    One of them has Whatsapp, Telegram, signal, MSTeams, smoke signals and those flags that ships used to communicate.

    The other only has Whatsapp.

    They are going to communicate over Whatsapp.

    Even if the dude with 1000 communication methods meets another dude with 1000 communication methods, they are going to use WhatsApp, because they are used to using Whatsapp with everyone, so it’s just easier to have everyone on WhatsApp.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      those flags that ships used to communicate.

      i think those are called semaphore and they’re cool as hell. i have a set of flags around here somewhere

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      • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Of course the random dude I replied to on Lemmy owns a set of semaphore flags. What else would I expect?

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t get to choose what app my European friends use

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But you get to choose what app you use. And if they continue to support Nazis you have to decide if you want those kind of friends.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      random european “i use whatsapp because it’s kind of the default app for a lot of things in my country”

      you “fascist”

      you see why i might not take you seriously?

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      • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t care. Using meta is directly supporting and funding environmental degradation, AI data centers, misinformation, and yes racism.

        Can you see why I am tired of being delicate and senstive about it?

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    • vaionko@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Let me just cut contact with most my friends, my parents and grandparents. Or have to call them. But still lose our group chats. That’ll surely improve my life.

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      • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It isn’t about the privacy though. It is about the direct funding of meta. You are supporting meta which means, you support AI, data centers, environmental degradation, political manipulation, and billionaires.

        I can’t do it. Whatsapp is a non starter. Someone has to take a stand.

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  • dektep@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    signal is extremely popular across europe

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i’ll get right on telling them that. again.

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• voodooattack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because it’s unfair to assume that everyone has the necessary education or awareness of what the internet is and what online privacy means that we take for granted.

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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You genuinely don’t know? 😬

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