Nobody who stood with Palestinians at the start of the genocide only believes in clicks and views.
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Hassan believes in nothing but clicks and views. He’s a sociopath. Fuck him and the rest of the political streamers.
Fuck Elon, too, though. They both suck ass.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 days ago
YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Hey look another dumbass on the internet.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 3 days ago
Is that the point though? Isn’t the point that he has done far less to endanger the UK population than Elon, and yet he is banned and Elon isn’t? Surely that’s worth discussing?
Photo55@mastodon.social 2 days ago
@crapwittyname @Poppa_Mo
It would be reasonable to assert Mr Musk should be advised not to travel here.Nothing to do with what travel other people have been allowed or stopped from.
The error is "yes but".
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 days ago
Advised is irrelevant in the context of banned. It does have something to do with what other people have been “stopped from”; because it’s a comparison, and there is therefore no error.
As an aside, “Mr Musk” deserves no respect from you. He is a fascist, and should not be tolerated.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You are the hasbara
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I don’t even know what that means.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Clearly
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Embarassing if true, probably a lie tho
jacksontwos@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I would evaluate if you have reasonable beliefs here. Like do you have enough information to accurately describe someone as a sociopath? To claim what they “only care about”…?
In this case I doubt you do, so it’s then strange to be so virulent and adamant.
Zephorah@discuss.online 3 days ago
I’d never heard of him until I listened to him on the Trevor Noah podcast. He sounded normal enough there, granted, that’s just a tiny slice of info.
That and he mostly talked about everything the Dem party was doing wrong.
If I had to guess, because he’s anti Israel, and both our countries are keenly invested in no one having a negative opinion of anything done by Israel. Ever.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
You’re losing and you know it
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Your country sucks
ChetManly@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We know
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
What’s he done?
Quokka@quokk.au 3 days ago
He’s a bit of a tankie-lite talking piece, but iirc he went on a boat to deliver aid to Cuba so he’s done some good.
The UK is only banning him because he’s anti-Zionist tho.
zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 3 days ago
Cuba is a “tankie” state and the most principled groups in support of it against the genocidal American blockade are “tankies”. You are advancing US imperialism by chatting nonsense about so-called tankies, doing the hard work of the red scare for your supposed enemies.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
He’s also a bit of a show boater, showing up to protests and getting all the attention because of his star power.
I’d also say he tends to soften his critiques in person, where he might get something right, he’ll not stick to his guns when confronted.
None of if that makes him wrong per se. But the people who have eaten the anti-hasan hasbara… well they are indeed a special breed of hog
4am@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Or rather, he’s bringing attention to the protests using his star power that they wouldn’t otherwise get.
Also, didn’t most or all of the socialist-leaning anti-Zionist candidates he campaigned with win their primaries?
If you have a platform, use it. Dude’s meeting people where they are, not sure how that’s for “clout” now that real change is being made. Why do you think Fox News is constantly up his ass now?
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
What a monster.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Called out Israeli spying and interfering with American politics through AIPAC and dark money. Israel was also found to be spying on the president and his administration - why would such a close ally spy on their friends? Because they aren’t friends. Israel is invading America.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Israel is not invading America lol. The president isn’t the boss of America, the oligarchs are, and they’re perfectly fine with their friends spying on the government for them.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 days ago
He may or may not have used a shock collar on his dog while livestreaming. I didn’t care about him enough to follow the story to its conclusion, but some people identified the collar as a shock collar while he claimed he removed the metal probes.
4am@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
He did not shock his dog, but there is a clip where he reaches off screen and then the dog, who was moving at the time, yelps.
Circumstantial evidence at best, but of course the haters RAN with it. No one wants the anti-gambling, anti-zionist, anti-capitalist streamer to be popular. It’s incredible the bullshit they spread about this guy.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
The dog also does exactly what a punished dog does, droopy ears and moving slowly to the spot they think you want them at, and the dog sitting in 1 spot for 10 hours a day. Granted I haven’t had or seen every dog breed in existance, but I have never seen a dog do any of the things in the video without being shocked yelled at hit or scolded.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
Fnords.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This has always been baseless conjecture and was promoted by Israeli media.
The only people who believe it are hogs.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
He extremely obviously didn’t
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I said “may or may not”. I figured one of yall would answer with the outcome of the allegations as a comment for anyone who wanted to find out.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Edit: He did shock his dog and I’m laughing at the number of people trying to defend or deny it.
100% exact same people who defend corporations and politicians. Brains completely ground from all the propaganda. Sad to see.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Delusional
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
There’s many reasons to dislike Hasan (not Hassan), but the shock collar myth ain’t among them. And if you push myths, you’re pushing facts away.
See Vaush, another leftist streamer. People want to paint him as a pedophile for supposedly consuming “CSAM” (which pretty well could have been The End of Evangelion, except tankies and SWERFs see it as such and want to execute all remaining creators of that movie) and having certain kinds of drawings in his leaked folder a warmonger claimed to be “real CSAM”. All while no one cares about him harassing women in the past.
Hate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
You’re pushing facts away by pretending that it’s a myth.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah, I’ll rather believe my own eyes over HeilHitler1488 from kiwifarms or whatever telegram group they’re organizing their subversion of leftism…
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
It’s fucking crazy how well the “shocked dog”bullshit has stuck.
binux@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Explain this then pal… bet you can’t
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athatet@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
This is an excellent point that I had not previously considered.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 days ago
Responsible dog owners remember to switch off their tesla coils.
G4Z@feddit.uk 2 days ago
I dunno, I agree with a lot of things he says but I watched that video with the dog and it looks pretty clear to me that he did have a shock collar on the dog.
He may not have actually pressed it on screen, but he moved his hand to it and the dog knew exactly what that meant and you could see it in the reaction.
The fact he seemingly wants to force an animal to sit in the corner like an ornament for his stream in the first place is also particularly problematic.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 days ago
So he uses a training collar to train his dog to behave while he’s busy? The horror.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
- the Narcissist Prayer, written by Dayna Craig
Welcome to step 3, ye flying monkeys.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 2 days ago
It’s disappointing how well the “question my personal behavior, question the cause” narrative has taken root. Piker is human. He can have some great points, good intentions, and the charisma to become a voice in the moment. It doesn’t make him inviolable. He has his flaws, shortcomings, and blindspots like all of us. He treats his dog like property and a set piece. Want to make him a better candidate for leadership of the cause? Demand that he do better and remind him that just because he’s on the right track most of the time he’s not above reproach. If you just want a leftist version of Trump whose shortcomings we ignore because they get done what we want done; fuck you.
YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 2 days ago
His dog lives a better life than most humans do and is well loved and taken care of. Source: Every single person who knows her in real life and interacts with them. Hell you can see it from their interactions on stream but you wouldn’t know that since you don’t watch clearly.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 2 days ago
The experience of life, for humans and animals, is more than just being “taken care of”. Your measure of “love” still treats a dog like an object and measures the quality of the human-canine relationship in terms of hierarchy; I give you X, therefore I expect you to give me Y. Gross, both of you.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The dog is fine, get a job
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Nah. I refuse to buy into the system. Eat shit and die, capitalist.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You speak like you have the luxury. This was years ago and the collapse of your country is imminent. Do you really want to start burning a leader at the stake with some flaws in favor of a gang of criminals? This is precisely why you’re in this predicament. Look around you. Do better yourself. You have little choice but compromise at the moment. Burn him at the stake later when you’re not actively dying as a country. So goddamn unbelievable and insufferable.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 2 days ago
I do have the luxury. If we’re doing this we’re all in, and while I’ll take any ally I can get, I’m going to continue to fight for the rights of non-human life until my last breath and not just seek to replace a right-wing populist with a left-wing one just because he’s on my team. If you’re willing to compromise your personal morality because your favorite dude has compromised theirs instead of saying “hey, I’m with you 90% of the time but here’s where your slipping; do better”; shit.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The tactic of “They go low, we go high!” is suicidal.
We had to drop demands for stronger secularism, both to court moderate christians into the left and in the hopes of an actual leftist Obama appearing. All it ended up with is that any time christian fundamentalists won more and more power, the loudest answer was “they’re not real christians, real christians don’t force anything onto other people, instead they’re ought to love their atheist neighbors, their Muslim neighbors…”.
Now we are ought to “kill our idols”, who sometimes are smaller creators (cough cough cancel culture), sometimes bigger ones, and we were ought to show our moral superiority to Asmongold (or whatever grifter is the hottest currently) by backstabbing them after the slightest rumors. Humans are social animals, not “individualist thinkers” that are able to come to conclusions on their own.
We are rushing into a gunfight with no guns, not even knives, but nothing besides a smug feeling of moral superiority. We as well next should go back to the forest, or at least live on a “self-sustaining farm”.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 2 days ago
It’s not suicidal, it’s self-awareness that we are facing an enemy that is more than willing and is currently eradicating us and will not stop doing so until we respond with the same force. Purity tests for leadership result in never finding a candidate because everyone is human, everyone has shortcomings; you take the best ally you can get. But you don’t have to compromise or accept their flaws as ongoing or excuse them from working on them during the process. Judge people’s quality of character on how they respond to criticism of their previous actions and whether they reflect on their behavior, acknowledge it might have been a poor choice, and amend their way, don’t just double down and deflect and defend because you like them most of the time. If a up-and-coming leader can be forgiven transgressions by their supporters when they’re a nobody they’re building a base that will forgive their worse transgressions later when they’re somebody and have the power. Demand that your leaders forever remain accountable to the critique of the people they claim to represent or you’re just propping up a left-wing populist as a reaction to the right.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Do not believe your own eyes www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
My eyes are telling me this is bullshit because they work, get yours checked
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Must be a walkie talkie randomly placed on his streaming setup, and the dog reacted like it got shocked, and the dog just likes being in one spot for 10 hours a day and does the droopy ears like it was punished. Every sign points to it but you have to consider, hasan said he didn’t do it.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 days ago
My friend’s dog was traumatised because his wife opened a moisturiser tube too loudly. Watch any dog for any extended period of time and then armchair diagnose its trauma.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s possible the dog got startled by him moving his arm. I have never seen a dog get startled and then dejectedly walk over to It’s sleeping spot, and I’ve been around dogs my entire life and that is EXACTLY how a dog who has just been punished reacts. The dog yelps right as he moves his hand and he has a remote that looks identical to a shock collar remote. It is possible there are explanations for all that, it just seems incredibly unlikely to me.