It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
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remon@ani.social 2 months ago
I mean, it’s not really bestiality if it isn’t sexual. A gynocological exam also isn’t fingering …
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 months ago
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 months ago
TBF that one sounds consensusl
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic “breed this bull with this cow” arrangement, but still somewhat not good.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 months ago
You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
almost no calves end up as break at all. the cat majority are brought to full weight before slaughter
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
there is a new method of eletrical rectal stimulation that stimulates the prostate through the anus, afaik only used on bovines
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Ew.
So that is to say, as far as you know, the method I describe above more or less still applies for pigs, sheep, etc?
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I get what you’re saying but it’s sexual assault, no?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 months ago
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 months ago
Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.
testfactor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
it’s a veterinary procedure
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Veterinary in the sense that “it’s a duty a veterinarian might perform do,” but in this context it’s done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn’t fast enough for this industrialised society’s appetite.
It’s disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we’re under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn’t ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Aka the nudist defense.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 months ago
Is your gynecologist jerking you off?
RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Eww, no. Gross.
My gyno jerks off my cows like a civilized person.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
No, but I’ve seen some video evidence …
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 months ago
I mean with some of the prostate exams I’ve had I’d almost assume as much.
9blb@feddit.org 2 months ago
I’m not sure on the specific definition of “bestiality” and whether “sexual pleasure of the executing party” or whatever you want to call it is a necessity, but consent should certainly be a part of it.
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent. If your gynecologist sticks a finger up your vagina without your consent, then it’s rape.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent
Well … I agree with most of your points. But animals are not humans, so consent works fundamentally different. Domestic animals are owned, so humans act as the legal guardian. Yes, there should still be regulation regarding general animal welfare.
But I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality. It’s a fun meme and shitpost, though.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality.
If the perpetrator of the act (or the beneficiaries from the act) derives pleasure from it, isn’t it bestiality?
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
I think I know where you’re going with this … mh. Depends of what kind of pleasure. If it’s sexual, that would be bestiality, I guess.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
If your gynecologist sticks a finger up your vagina without your consent, then it’s rape.
So they’re supposed to ask every fucking time you’re spread at the table May i please insert my finger in your vagina to do my fucking job, pretty please?
And are you sure students can’t consent?Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Yes to both. Nonconsentual digital penetration isn’t suddenly ok just because the perpetrator works in a specific field. Teachers hold power over students’ lives to such an extent that students might not be able to reasonably refuse consent, ergo, they cannot freely give it. What the actual fuck is wrong with you, you creep????
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I forgot not to feed the trolls.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m a little disappointed that everybody is appealing to ethics and professionalism.
Look according to biblical law its fine as long as they’re married.
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
A gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 2 months ago
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Right, but in the case of animals these decisions are up to the owner.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
…and it’s medically indicated
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Exactly, this is basically finding excuses to justify these actions. A treatment treats a condition, yet what does this treat - an ego of an person apparently.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Right, but we do need more cows in the long run.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 months ago
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Cows are not on the same level as humans
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Artificial insemination without consent is rape. Natural insemination without consent is rape.
Cows cannot give consent to humans. No animal can. Hell, even if we discovered another human-like species but couldn’t have meaningful communication with them, it’d still be rape.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
You can get consent from the cows owner. Definitely don’t inseminate some else’s cow without asking.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
*Procedure, a treatment is to relieve negative symptoms
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“someone”
Keyword.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 months ago
I would really like to see you try to get your dog pregnant.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
uberdroog@lemmy.world 2 months ago
youtu.be/BAm79T6qScU
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
no. different things are different.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 months ago
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.
stickly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Wow, comparing actual human slavery to cattle production. That’s certainly a take
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
no one believes that. not even vegans
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 months ago
M137@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How is impregnating a treatment?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 months ago
Dude, forcing semen into a vagina is not a fucking treatment. Disgusting rape apologia.
krox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Do bulls obtain consent? Nature is rapey as hell