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• SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving “good food” (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it’s fancier food it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll actually like it more?

  So, what are some foods that people only like because they’re fancy? (I’d argue caviar is one)

  Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they’re seen as being “good movies”?

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  • Babalugats@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What?

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

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      • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        What?

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  • Jojowski@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A million flies can’t be wrong.

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  • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.

    Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.

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    • 5C5C5C@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Shakespeare’s collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same name.

      Granted it’s not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?

      If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won’t make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he’s so revered.

      In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well… He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don’t generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.

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    • Velypso@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Imo shakespeare is like seinfeld.

      So incredibly influential and popular that reading/watching is boring because everything that has been said by them has been said by everyone else, but better years/decades/centuries later.

      I agree that shakespeare is a slog, simply because ive seen probably 50 “hamlet” television episodes that are better

      Another great example: West-side Story is just a much better version of romeo and juliet which is slow for no reason in comparison.

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    • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Shakespeare’s influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it’s almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a “wild-goose” chase. Having a “heart of gold”. To “vanish into thin air”. Even: “Knock knock, Who’s there?” was his.

      His works might be hard work for today’s student since the language isn’t the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today’s films. “It’s been done better since!” His works are from 500 years ago!

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    • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I unironically like shakespeare, but yeah, there is an element of inertia to his popularity.

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  • Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So like, the entire Marvel universe? 

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    • sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I sort of get what you’re saying, but that’s less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The first iron man was ok.

      But otherwise yes.

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  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Caviar is delicious.

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    • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh, sure. Not debating that. But it’s popular because it’s seen as fancy.

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      • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Popular might not be the word. Bananas are popular, I can buy the in virtually every store in the country. Caviar is actually pretty hard to get, so it’s clearly not a thing that very many people like.

        I would say that it’s “regarded as good” because it’s exclusive, scarce, and expensive. Like, rich people like it (because they can get it) and therefore it’s good.

        I’m not disagreeing with you, just trying to contribute some nuance because I think this is what OP was getting at.

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      • sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I would debate it. I’ve heard that it’s gross. I’ve never had it though. I’m not fancy enough.

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  • PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t worry, I understand you.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.

  Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦‍♂️

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  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!

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• orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You know how like some stuff is goodbad but people like it because it’s not awful? Like, when it’s not made with minimal effort and it seems like someone actually tried write believable dialog.

  What are goodbad movies like that movies like that but good.

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What?

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• BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There was a movie in 2002 called the Pianist. If you were around then, you get it.

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  • sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do you mean the movie about the Holocaust? How does that fit in here?

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