Surpreisenheimer

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• NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Americans will melt 4 million civilians in a foreign country and then 20 years later write a movie about how bad it made them feel.

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  • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pretty sure different people made the film. What, are they supposed to be proud so it’s more fun to hate them?

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    • dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think the film would have been much “better” if we showed the horror and devistation that we caused. American media purposefully hides the death and destruction that we do, and paints ourselves as the good guys.

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    • ech@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      On the one hand, yes, it’s different people. That said, this particular movie made the choice to specifically hide the damage to victims and solely focus on the emotions of the man who enabled the tragedy. I’m all for stories of people trying to redeem themselves, but deliberately ignoring the victims was a bad choice, imo.

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    • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re not supposed to melt the civilians.

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    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yes, because .ml folks basically live in a alt universe where america is evil and the USSR was good.

      When Stalin mass murders his own people, it’s for the Greater Good.

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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Excerpt from a GTA radio show that’s a parody of Rush Limbaugh and maybe a little Alex Jones.

    Y’know, I’m a man who believes in the American dream. I r-, I-I really do. And that dream is – I’m in charge, and if you don’t like what I’m saying, then I’m gonna make a wise-crack, a-and drop a bomb on ya! That’s it, that, for me, is the i-i-s the American dream, okay? And then maybe get a-a-a country artist to sing a song about it then have me walkin’ around in slow motion. Th-Thats the fully realised dream, y’know then you could maybe make a movie about me doing that or we could do action figurines and then, myself making a movie about blowing the shit out of you while I make a wise-crack, y-I mean, the idea-the dream is endless. Truly.

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    • Lauchmelder@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      greater toronto area or grand theft auto? i can see both

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  • dellish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m looking forward to the sequel “Afghanistan made me do it” and spin-off “Of course Iraq is involved, just believe me bro”

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    • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Yellow Cake: The Movie”

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• WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Qwi backed off, straightening up again defensively. “Yes, of course. The Death Star was to be used to break up dead planets to allow direct mining of the heavy metals trapped in the core. The World Devastators would be autonomous factories combing asteroids or sterile worlds to produce a wide range of items without polluting inhabited planets.”

  Han snorted and rolled his eyes. “If you believe that, you’ll believe anything. Listen to their names! Death Star, World Devastator—that doesn’t sound like something for peacetime economic development, does it?”

  Qwi scowled and turned her back on it. “Oh, what difference does it make?”

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “They used it on a military base to show power and end the war …right?”

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  • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, they were trying to hit military structures. But they were also aware it was going to hit a fuckton of civilian infrastructure.

    They were also trying to end the war faster. The USSR had just joined and were making a lot of demands for Japanese territory immediately. The US wanted to avoid a repeat of the partitioning of Germany by having to give the USSR all of Hokkaido. They also weren’t aware that Japan was already at the brink of surrender due to fog of war.

    On the grey-er side of things, there was a growing sense of… callousness? Inevitability? on the US’s side throughout the war. They started out proclaiming that they would only use precision bombing due to the invention of the Norton bomb sight. Only for that bomb sight to still be fairly inaccurate and had to switch to mass bombing. Eventually the US had escalated to firebombing Japanese cities, and the bombing of Tokyo was on par with the bombing of Hiroshima. The big difference was the span of time and number of planes/bombs involved. If the US hadn’t developed the atom bombs then they would have just continued the firebombings with damage to Japan not being all that different.

    Add to that the fact that there was a lot of decentralized manufacturing in Japanese cities including military manufacturing. Part of this was cultural, in that it was still normal to have your business be in the same building as your home. Some of this is technical, in that Japan hadn’t really invested in assembly-line mass manufacturing yet. And some of this is strategic, in that a small bombing raid isn’t able to take out all of your manufacturing, plus there’s the factors of using civilians as human shields.

    All that said, was there some sense of retaliation and racism against Japan that led to the use of atomic bombs? Yes. Was there also motive to use the bombings to scare the USSR? Also yes. Was a large part of escalation to fire bombing and atomic bombs driven by Curtis LeMay (who was a fucking monster and probably the worst person that Columbus, OH ever produced)? Abso-fucking-lutely and he continued to be a giant problem in the US military well after the war.

    Rants aside, my overall point is that the atomic bombings weren’t black and white given the context of the entire war. Anyone trying to push otherwise is either (most likely) ignorant or lying

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    • SippyCup@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hiroshima was not a military target, that was a lie Truman told to try to smooth over the fact that he’d just committed a horrific war crime.

      Two committees—the Target Committee and the Interim Committee—were convened to advise U.S. leaders on the atomic bomb. The prioritization of maximizing the bomb’s psychological impact on the Japanese population and leadership is the common thread that binds the recommendations of the two committees.

      But the identification of military objectives by the Interim Committee was a rationalization meant to obscure the true aims of the Hiroshima bombing. **The Interim Committee’s recommendation was an endorsement of terror bombing with a legal veneer. **

      At bottom, Stimson **wanted to kill as many workers and their families possible. **

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    • kossa@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know where this “they tried hitting war infrastructure” myth comes from.

      Same with the bombing in Germany. They literally rebuild German city houses in the desert, to figure out the best way how to blow off the roof and set the wooden structures inside on fire.

      They measured fire brigade response times to stage the bombing in a way to hit the rescue efforts.

      It was about demoralizing the civil populace, so of course it was never about military targets.

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    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, they were trying to hit military structures.

      The target was a random bridge in the middle of the town

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  • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It was sorta a military base. They did have POWs there.

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• lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pretty much…

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• MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  God this movie sucked.

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  • dellish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll get down voted along with you, but yes it did. I didn’t even finish watching it.

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    • g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Let’s light a can of gasoline on fire, that’ll be a good practical effect that represents the destructive power of nuclear weapons in a movie about the dangers of atomics!

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  • lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Was better than most movies that year. Kinda does say something about that year with movies tho

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Still better than Tenet

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    However, it was exceptionally wonderful.

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  War crime camo

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• fizzbang@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hiroshima should be required reading

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• abc@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Mitchell and Webb - Dr. Death

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• tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Now I am become Seth, destroyer of girls”

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• Nangijala@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oopsenheimer

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• 100_kg_90_de_belin@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I should have called it Phallogoria

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• lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Screenshot of Pete & Pete

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