It’s not a fucking culture war. Either you believe in morality or you don’t ffs.
‘A maelstrom of his own making’: how Ed Sheeran’s tour turned into a full-blown culture war
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Wurzl@lemmy.zip to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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Malica@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
join@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Calling it a culture war is so depressing. It’s basically making explicitly: yes the genocide is happening, but politics is about how you feel about it and what words you use.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
so how often do you do some jewish fancy dress?
RudeOnTuesdays@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What?
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
He was “appalled by the conflict”, he wrote, adding that the “suffering and pain caused on both sides” was “a human tragedy”
This little shit literally “both sides” this genocide?!? Wow.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I could see that argument being used in the weeks after the October attacks, but after nearly three years of intensive systematic genocide?
Fuck off with that shit.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
considering who kraft supports, he would have to do the same hting.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ed Sheeran has watched multiple murders happening, but refused to report them on the grounds that he “didn’t want to be political”.
When others tried to speak, he stopped them, saying “I just don’t want to be political!”.
Ed Sheeran is not a safe person to be around.
Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, hiding behind a job is nonsense. Imagine me saying “sorry man, I don’t talk about big issues because I drive a forklift Monday to Friday”.
kibblebits@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Looks like Ed can go fuck himself.
clifmo@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I flew home to see the family this weekend, down in the deep south. My brother picked me up from the airport and took me to a local pub for a burger and beer. I went for my second glass and two regulars at the bar were chatting with the bartender.
“Just don’t make it political. Keep politics out of it”, said one of the men to the bartender. “Fuck Robert Kraft”, I loudly replied. The bartender cocked a half smile before mentioning that they were just discussing how Kanye was able to tour again. "Some things in this world are forgivable like, apparently, ‘heil Hitler’, I opined for the whole bar to hear.
Aghast, the avowedly non-political regulars could only stare back at me. Unsurprisingly they seemed reluctant to defend a billionaire known for his bad behavior, and also recently for his collusion with his other rich pals to cancel a music act from playing at two stadiums overlapping Kanye’s recent tours.
“But, save the children? Well, that really depends on exactly which children”. I took my 6% ABV lager back to my table to resume my half-hearted interest in my brother’s WoW guild and hype over the re-re-release of vanilla, or whatever.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s wild to me that people talk to strangers
clifmo@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
If you think I even graced those bozos with so much as a glance, you’re sorely mistaken, stranger. I was speaking to my bartender.
absentbird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Isn’t that what you’re commenting on Lemmy for?
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Never been to Spain, no?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One important party which manages to stay out of the crosshairs is Wasserman talent agancy which recently rebranded. Many prominent mainstream artists who never speak out for Palestine like Kendrick Lamar are signed with them. Now you know why they never speak out.
Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think a grown adult can be absolved of responsibility because of that either, though. Everybody who speaks up takes on risk and losses. He’s better positioned than most people on the planet.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are right, it is not about absolving Ed Sharon. This is about showing that everyone who has signed with Wasserman talent agency does not speak up for Palestine. Thus everyone with Wasserman talent agency should be questioned. Or "THE-TEAM as it is called now since the rebrand.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People voting with their feet is a culture war when those who are in the wrong don’t like it.
Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As Jupiderbaal pointed out on TikTok, Sheeran wanted the credit for the anti-genocide stance without taking any risk.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
he took too long to say anything, he was gauging which way the wind was blowing(he was likely only banking on supporting “israel” if his fans remained loyal.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Kraft is associated with epstein and maybe one of his managers, thats all the reason to shut up about his sugar daddy.
deft@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
I think a lot about how Epstein was likely just a cog in a machine himself. There are more like him
What people are playing around with these fuckers still? Not gonna jump to conclusions about him but it makes me wonder
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s always better to stand for something than to “play it safe”.
NuanceDemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Tbf odds are usually in favour of playing it safe, big spiralling scandals are the edge cases.
It is better to stand something from a moral point of view though, for sure.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Always choose the moral choice. History (if not the present) will vindicate you, and you’ll be able to sleep better at night.
reka@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not always otherwise he wouldn’t have done this. However he did fuck this up.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
he was gauging which way the wind was blowing(i think he intended to support israel originally because of kraft is a zionist.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sheeran trying to play victim now is nauseating. He’s a 35 year old man acting like a befuddled 16 year old.
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
claiming Robert Kraft – owner of the New England Patriots – had pressured Sheeran by threatening to pull his stadium from the tour dates and urging other venues to do the same. Sheeran’s team confirmed multiple venues had objected to Macklemore staying on the bill
“The stakes for him would have been very, very high,” said Dorian Lynskey, the author of 33 Revolutions Per Minute: A History of Protest Songs. “Taking a stand meant potentially cancelling the rest of your tour, with all the refunds, people who work on the tour losing their work. It’s an enormous thing.”
Bragg also acknowledged the practical realities. “Undoubtedly Ed has contractual obligations, and he’d get sued and it would cost him money,” he said. “I can understand it.” But he believes Sheeran could have drawn a cleaner line between defending Macklemore’s right to speak and endorsing every word of it.
“He doesn’t have to come out and say ‘free Palestine’. Put purely on the grounds of free speech, he can say an artist must be able to express their view. He needs to let people know how he feels about billionaires deciding what can and can’t be said from a stage,” he said.
This thread is completely lacking nuance (as expected). The nuance isn’t about whether there’s a genocide (there obviously is) but rather what is expected of Ed Sheeran in this situation. You could make an argument that Sheeran taking a stance is worth the lost revenue/jobs, it’s just not as clear cut as people are making it out to be.
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There isn’t really any nuance, here. Ed Sheeran is absolutely zero danger, here, it’s not like he’s deep in poverty and has to weigh the morality of being a Walmart security guard against feeding his family. Bro just has to go “you are mad about someone speaking out against obvious genocide and I will not be attaching my name to yours.”
He literally just has to go “ok, fuck you then” and go home. Everyone else did, he’s just a huge loser.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A rich person can’t be bought. If they do something evil, they’re doing it for love of the game.
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He would be fine. He could never perform again and still never have to work. However, those concerts provide a lot of jobs. The tour getting canceled impacts the livelihood of many more than him. People would be out jobs, and genocide would still be happening.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, presumably Sheeran signed a contract with these venues and promoters with everyone knowing Macklemore was on the bill. I dunno why Sheeran would necessarily be going down for violation of contract here…
He could have just said “if you don’t want us to perform as planned then talk to my lawyers”
distal@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Fuck the Guardian (and Ed), it’s not a culture war.
newtraditionalists@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
[deleted]JillSteinsPuckeredAnus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
he so ugly you could press his face in the dough and make gorilla cookies.
DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Just saw Gorillaz on their first show of The Mountain tour.
Damon Albarn held up a Palestinian flag, draped it over his shoulder, then declared, “It’s time to pick a side.”
It’s just that simple to not be a bitch.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Even noted cunt Damon Albarn gets it
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Damon Albarn is a dick but he’s usually been more on the right side of things than not. Demon Days is straight up an anti-climate change album.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How is he a noted cunt. I am out of the loop on him.
LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My daughter is going to her first concert with her Gramma, she picked gorillaz for the first, and now I couldn’t be happier 😁
logi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That can’t be. I saw them on The Mountain back in June. But yeah, Damon’ll show them how it’s done.
DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
All I know is he said this was his first stop, first show here in Orlando. Maybe he meant this leg of the tour?
Either way, fantastic show.
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is for most people. But it’s also 100% reasonable to say his position is more complicated. Let’s say Ed Sheeran goes out there with a Palestinian flag. Venues would overwhelmingly pull their location for the tour, doing so would likely violate contracts, the tour would ultimately be cancelled, and who knows how many people just lost the income they were depending on. He did not handle the situation correctly, but calling it simple is absurd. This was also all expressed in the article.
DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ed Sheeran’s fat ass ain’t goin’ hungry because he missed a tour. And if he does starve to death, then good riddance to that level of utterly stupid.
Humanity - or lack thereof in this case - is quite black and white.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the defeated and cancelled zionist entity sheeran loves to mysogynise the intifada and thanks you for your hard work
folk rock has never been more relevant. the first stop on the gaza metro is intifada circus
DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Dafuq you smokin’ and who sold it so I know who to avoid.
athatet@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We’ll look who’s being the bitch now.