Holy shit, dizziness causes data centers?!
Correlation implies causation
Submitted 3 weeks ago by REDACTED@infosec.pub to science_memes@mander.xyz
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Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The delay implies on the other direction. Let’s see if dizziness reduces a bit in 6 months.
Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But it really doesn’t.
You could replace number of data centers with total number of Taylor Swift songs released and get that same idea. Taylor Swift music existing causes dizziness, and it just be stopped.
Or you could replace number of data centers with “Sean Connery alive?” and decide dizziness has been going up since he died.
drolex@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
It’s actually
Causation causes correlation
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Correlation causes causation.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Causation is correlated with causes
ivan@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Infrasound. Proven negative impact on people’s health and general wellbeing, waves travel quite far and have high penetration, and data centers are absolutely the source of it with all the fans and pumps.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
How far does that actually travel, and how does that compare to other bad stuff that has been around longer, like refineries or power substations or whatever?
erev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
When datacenters are being powered by unregulated natural gas generators then it has a massive impact
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Where I live there’s a refinery, about ten years ago they changed the burners on the tall torches for a new kind that burn apparently cleaner but they make a lot more noise. It is 6km away with no direct line of sight, the low pitch rumble makes some of the windows in my house rattle.
ivan@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
So, you may have noticed that 5 GHz Wi-Fi has smaller coverage area than 2.4 GHz.
It works that way all the way down to infrasound, which is <20 Hz, and natural examples would be whale communications (thousands of kilometers) or volcano eruptions (infrasound wave from Krakatoa eruption lapped around entire globe multiple times).
As for human factors - basically any big industrial tech object is gonna be the source of ultrasound. So it’s kind of safe to assume that infrasound from data centers may be “heard” from at least several kilometers away. Dunno how it compares to refineries and power substations - but they’re also source of that.
Setiyeti93@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=V2TgYgy6_cqwgCYC
A very informative video
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Has it been proven? I see articles that suggest pathways or mechanisms.
But when I looked for a double blind study with controls, they do not find any effects at all. Arguably the majority of studies are around 8 hour periods or sleep period, not 24 hour exposure. But you would think they would find something. They did hearing tests, blood test, brain activity tests, and emotional response “feeling” scores. It just isnt there conclusively.
People started doing a lot of this research because of the wind turbines, which also are very loud, run as long as their is wind, and produce infrasound.
Don’t get me wrong: I am not defending putting loud constant noise machines near people, this should be part of a zoning regulation. That seems bad enough, infrasound or not.
rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
neaptide@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Please cite sources for this claim? Infrasound has not been shown to have “proven negative impact”
leds@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
tonyn@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It seems you’ve discovered a real correlation here!
… it’s called “cold season” for a reason, and lots of people will be searching for common ailments at the same time.
tonyn@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t explain the huge spike over the past 6 months, and cold season has been over for about 5 of those months.
AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I mean f**k AI and massive datacenters near residential areas but I think some of this could be nocebo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
alt_xa_23@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Conclusion: datacenters are caused by dizziness
TIEPilot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Over 30 years in data centers, no dizziness. I do have a deep contempt on the amount of waste and it has grown over those 30 years…
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well infra sound isnt audible but does damage the body.
Sort of how radiation is invisible but still damaged the body. And takes a while to show.
It works very similarly in infrasound except it’s a different kind of damage.
It’s known to cause cardiovascular damage and organ damage as well as dizziness and damage to hearing organs and vestibular system.
neaptide@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Please cite some sources
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=…
Quick Google scholar search.
I was under the impression most scientific minded people were aware of this.
There are YouTube videos spreading awareness of infrasound. It’s a common talking point about the hazards of data centers.
And fracking.
Which also creates it.
mufkin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure this is made up.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
mufkin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Just stop. You could have put that in your post. I’m not clicking that link. Post your evidence and not a screenshot. Do better.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
You have a particularily hilarious version of oppositional defiance disorder.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
The chances of this actually being connected is probably near zero, but still felt funny enough to post.
Randomly stumbled upon this while researching why are so many people around lately feeling dizzy.
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I didn’t even know dizziness was on the rise! What did you find?
Contramuffin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If I were to guess, probably heat stroke due to rising temperatures. Which, if true, would also be worsened by having more data centers
Osprey@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Stress or anxiety can also cause dizziness.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Nothing solid. Imma about to put on my tinfoil hat and start looking at the Russian satellites. Realistically I’m way over my head here and I hope someone else notices the weird trend. The only reason I started looking around is because I feel slightly dizzy for the past 3 months and decided to ask around. Surprisingly alot of people are experiencing the same thing. I’m from Baltics. All health checkups return perfectly fine.
ladicius@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe rising CO2 levels? Just guessing.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
You ever spin in a circle? You do it a few times you don’t really notoce, you do it a lot, younget dizzy.
The earth has been spinning in a lot of cirxles, and we are starting to cross into the “do it a lot” range of spins.
– Calvin’s Dad
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Actually there is a proven causal connection:
Infrasound.
Data centers make a lot of that, and that does cause/exacerbate dizziness.
Now, what proportion of increasing dizziness is caused by more data centers?
Impossible to tell from this meagre data set, likely an insubstantial amount… my money would be on long covid + its really fucking hot more often.
neaptide@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Please cite some sources that show that infrasound causes/exacerbates dizziness or disorientation (or see my other comments in this thread). There is no conclusive evidence to support negative health effects from infrasound.