I mean, they had the public trust once. Then they fucked it.
"influencers" are setting us back
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1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Why don’t we structure our political systems around the scientific method? That is all of the policies are testable and the goal is the optimization of the HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Why employ policies based on beliefs or feelings when we can just test them.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Sure, as soon as politicians have to have minimal education requirements.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s a tough problem. Those who are intelligent typically do not want to be politicians. A problem as old as society, the best rulers are typically the last people who would want the position.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Because then the capital class wouldn’t be able to control us, and steal the value of our work from us. If governments ran on tested and proven data, then we would have wind and solar farms, vast public transportation networks, infrastructure for cycling as transportation, national healthcare, 2-3 years of paid family/maternal leave for the birth/placement of a new child, and low cost post secondary education. Drops mic
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Most likely. I think we’ve lost the plot globally. Society was meant to increase the quality of life of humans. In the origin when a society or more so a town failed to benefit people could just transition back into hunter gatherers and leave.
I think the other part of this is we don’t need to be beholden to a political philosophy devised by people who were essentially unconcerned by the scientific method or not even aware of it in their time. That is it really doesn’t matter if a policy is quote unquote socialist or capitalist or anything if it measurably optimizes the HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact better than another policy. A lot of this political philosophical infighting seems more like a divide and conquer tactic than people collectively working towards a more fruitful society. I think we can step back from myopic world views and embrace a multimodal system that’s a little of whatever literally works the best.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s just what mega-corporations are doing right now. And you can see the results of that. IMHO it’s not that easy.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I don’t think E-corps are structured similarly, that is if they are using a scientific method to discern their policies it’s towards the end goal of increasing profits and market dominance more so than human and environmental wellbeing. So you may be right in one aspect but the target is totally different.
osanna@lemmy.vg 3 weeks ago
I have no qualifications at all, but I did read a blog post. So I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Well at least you’ve read something which puts you ahead of most anti-vaxxers, who just rely on Facebook videos.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hate to disagree with you, but I’be honestly got a feeling and I can’t think of a better reason than that.
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
But but but tHe RaTiO
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
When I first heard this news I got the latest publicly available version of GPT, with reasoning enabled, to tell me that it’s possible that Ivermectin could cure cancer to prove to myself that the claim was bullshit.
They will never be able to train out the confirmation bias from the lie machine.
Benign@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
They can, but they won't, because they mostly sell to C-levels that only buy sycophantic stuff.
plyth@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Unless they teach it logical reasoning.
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Logical reasoning can only derive conclusions from assumptions. Unless you can have all true facts that exists in the world as an input, it wouldn’t work.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
IMHO “Appeal to Authority” is a very bad mindset, but conspiracy theory thinking is worse.
The funniest part about conspiracy theories is that, while yes, professionals can absolutely be wrong, but how is it better just to make up random nonsense and see what sticks? Preaching critical thinking and then failing to engage in it is the peak of comedy.
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re talking about the logical fallacy. Or maybe you’re not, I don’t know. It’s only a bad mindset when the authority isn’t qualified.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
they basically started the whole pseudoscience movements, a couple of fake diseases: morgellans, Chronic lyme was all coined by midwestern moms having psychosomatic, delusional parasitosis events.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Maybe we shouldn’t perpetuate dunning-krugerization such that everyone feels they fully understand the effects of a magnetosphere on orbital mechanics after a one paragraph explanation. The sense of ‘ownership’ and ‘mastery’ people seem to have of a field after
ingestinglicking like two facts is really disappointing.brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, BIG TIMI is either a bot or has a serious Twitter problem, as he’s posted 31 times in the past 17 hours, every hour:
…And he pays for Twitter.
To bring intellectualism back into his life, maybe he should consider that.
tyranny@crazypeople.online 3 weeks ago
interesting that the post didn’t say “daddy-blogger”. hopefully this isn’t a symptom of site-wide subtle misogyny
PacketPilgrim@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
It’s only going to get worst. I am already seeing those at work double check anything you say against an LLM and they come back with some version of well ChatGPT says… They don’t realize how much of a sycophant LLMs can be and if you ask a question a certain way it will just agree with you and find some kind of BS data to back you up.
aamram@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Problem is future virologist are going to probably be there for ChatGPT Plus as well…
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
8 very lazily read that and got confused for a sec trying to think of why a violinist would know so much about vaccines.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The “intellectual elite” did a lot of the damage themselves.
I want you to go watch a youtube channel called The Octopus Lady. She’s a member of Nebula, young woman with some marine biology credentials who zilennials her way through science communication mostly about ocean life. And she does the legwork, or tries to. She makes a running gag out of sounding out all the latin. “Nootfish are in the order pi…pisca…pis-caen-id-ae? And the phylum Pis-caein-in-ae? Piscaieninae.” And it’s not difficult to find an episode where she’ll talk about reading published research papers and completely failing to understand them, because they’re written in space catholic. She’ll read excerpts like “The phyringial jaws are motulidated lantitherally from the up end of the distal and caudal sclipera. When feeding, they linticulate joternimously in a cirratic fashion.” She has a habit of damning basically any scientist in any field other than marine biology to turbohell because she understands their work even less.
“Cite your source.” “Okay. 5.8th dimensional pile of moon runes Hope this clears it up.”
It raises the problem of science-shaped bullshit. The MLA or APA style guides are manuals on how to fake scientific literature. It’s very easy to make bullshit look credible. This happens a lot; industries hold fake scientific conferences where bullshit research is presented before being published in bullshit journals so that you can find the bullshit people cite when lying on behalf of a corporation.
Hell just go to a doctor. Make an appointment months in advance to have someone dead inside prescribe you whatever SSRI their office is wallpapered with ads for as treatment for astigmatism. Women commonly complain of having their problems outright ignored, meanwhile men pretty much just give up and just…live with three knees on one leg out of not unfounded fear the hospital will just maim them further. After all, if you cut a patient’s dick off during a tonsilectomy, you get to charge them for reattachment. The healthcare system managed to make themselves the worst part of a forklift accident.
Universities selling out en masse offering bullshit degrees like Musical Psychology casts a certain “What the fuck are you doing?” shadow over everything they do. But what do you expect out of our nation’s classroom-themed minor league professional sports franchises?
vane@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Virology student with ChatGPT Plus subscription.
casualvagrancy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
False dichotomy. There are credentialed doctors and scientists on both sides. It’s just that the actual research keeps coming down on the antivaxxer’s side.
Example: Henry Ford Health Dr. Marcus Zervos.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
What?
Aiz@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I’m not for or against vaccines. I was raised with my mother as a hard anti-vax and the rest of my family as a hard pro-vax, so I was used as an example a few too many times. I’ll meet in the middle.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The misguided notion that you can find some sort of truth by meeting verifiable falsehoods halfway, is like 90% of the problem.
Aiz@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I suppose
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is no “middle”
There are people who think vaccines are good, and there are idiots
Aiz@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
There can be a middle to anything. Opinions are just that: opinions. I am neutral towards them. Me and my opinion does not affect you and your opinion, I am not stopping you from doing whatever you like.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Right. The middle between pants-on-head and sensible is like… Underwear on the outside? Donald duck with pantsgloves?
Vreyan31@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
What does ‘in the middle’ look like? Getting vaccines for some things and not others?
Aiz@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Nope. It looks like I don’t personally, am past the age of childhood vaccines anyway, and don’t give a shit whether other people do or not.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The absolute fucking truth!!!
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You say this, but I got banned from a sub for being a corporate shill for trying to explain to what I’m pretty sure was a 13 year old kid that AI is not going to dissapear and that it’s not just a fun toy used to make shitty TikTok videos
I would explain what AI Agents were and how they worked and what they did and I was told I was a troll that like to suck my bosses dick… and then I was banned
My job? Software engineer. Been one for over 20 years.
Those same people are probably here right now talking about how stupid it is that people don’t listen to experts…
black0ut@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
You’re a 1 week old account, and all you’ve done is shill AI non stop (with arguments that are wrong and uninformed).
I think that supposed 13 year old is smarter than you, and I also think the mod was probably in the right.
Oh, also. AI as in LLMs and agents is not the future. The fact that you’re a software engineer means nothing, you either are a bot or drank the kool aid. And after seeing you say lies such as “AI is already not a failure” or that is has done new things “more than any other invention in human history”, I don’t know if I should believe that you are a software engineer.
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is what I’m talking about…
Deep Learning had a major breakthrough around 2012 with ImageNet. What we know today is already 14 years old. It wasn’t as good as it is today, or as accessible 14 years ago, but it was around. And people really think the world is just going to decide to forget we invented it any day now
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m 37, you stupid fucking shill.
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re 37 and you still call people a shill that’s just sad
Weird you both think I’m an AI shill but also I’m not in the industry