French retailer mocks €1039 Steam Machine with “Stim Machine” RX 9060 XT PC for €999

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• 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Looks inside…

  • dogshit PSU
  • dogshit mobo
  • dogshit case with airflow as bad as a cardboard box, light years away from the SM
  • it’s the 9060 XT 8GB version, same vram as the steam machine

  If I bothered to look at other specs like pcie lanes, usb versions, repairability, noise, I bet my arse I’d be disappointed.

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  • IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You could save 35$ tho /s

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  • Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, but this way you also have the inconvenience of having to build it and install the OS yourself.

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    • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You can buy it prebuilt.

      Still have to install SteamOS, but that a painless process, I’ve done it multiple timed. You boot the iso, double clic on an icon, accept the prompt that tells you everything on the disk will be erased, and boom, you got the OS installed.

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    • Hawke@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Also good luck with firmware updates, since most of them are extremely inconvenient to install with Linux, and also few vendors actually update their firmware any more than they need to.

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Welcome to the world of pre-built PCs! Like, technically you can upgrade your GPU but you‘d have to upgrade most of your machine too to actually get a performance boost.

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  • grinning_serpent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    8GB is plenty for 1080p. Especially since you’re not actually rendering at 1080p. And it’s RDNA4 vs 3, so it’s a more powerful chip in general.

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    • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      350 isn’t nearly enough.

      Yea you get a single spike in power draw and that PC crashes. No way that shitty PSU can handle peak power draw if both CPU and GPU kick in at once

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  • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The SM could end up having hardware as shitty as this one, you never know. Especially since they’ve shown with the first deck iteration they could release hardware that can cook itself.

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    • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Have you seen the GN teardown? Every bit of volume that isn’t already occupied by something is dedicated to cooling. The heat sink runs essentially edge to edge, so no issues with airflow either.

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• JelleWho@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  • Does it also come with HDMI CEC?

  • Does it come with good basically lifetime support?

  • Would it get developers optimise for that exact hardware?

  • Would it run as quit and efficient?

  I’d you just going for raw hardware speed. And don’t care about anything else. You can always make a faster system yourself.

  But I know enough people who don’t dare to touch anything near a computer, who are looking into this cube

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  • Rothe@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The tear-down GamersNexus did of the Steam cube showed that a lot of very good engineering has gone into designing it so that not only does it run smoothly and without overheating despite its compact shape, it is also relatively easy to access all components and repairability is high.

    Just a shame they had to settle for subpar components on account of the AI cartel.

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  • eleijeep@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Are you really going to shit on a PC because it’s not a Steam Machine? What kind of weird console-gamer brand loyalty is this?

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    • Prove_your_argument@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The last thing i’d ever want to do is go with a kit for SFF. I have built exclusively for over 20 years at this point and picking a motherboard, cooling solution, PSU and overall internals myself tends to get me something that is better quality than a kit using cheaper versions of everything they can’t sell to fit a price point. I don’t think i’ve done a build as cheap as 1k since I was a teenager, but i’m not just buying the most expensive shit either.

      Those silverstone cases are super fugly. It’s like they haven’t updated shit since 2010, and this kind of lines up since that case is well over a decade old. The case can only fit GPUs that are up to 270mm long by 129mm tall, which really limits what you can put in there. My steel legend 9070xt is 298 x 131, so it can’t fit in two dimensions. I have a 3070 suprim that is 335mm x 140mm, that thing is never gonna fit either. You have to really seek out something that fits.

      If I was going to give someone advice on a smaller / ITX build today i’d say go with something way more comfortable to work with like a Cooler Master NP200. My last build is a 25L ATX build with no sacrifices. Cable management is one hell of a struggle.

      Very possible to build something that will be faster for cheaper, or grab a deal on a gaming laptop around the same price with better ram/storage and similar GPU, but there’s no way to build something smaller than the machine really.

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  • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Good questions. I don’t know all the answers but I can give you at least those.

    • warranty is 5 years
    • hardwares are standard, if it works on the Steam Machive, it will work on that one
    • HDMI CEC I don’t know. It works on my Linux HTPC, so I don’t see why it xouldn’t work for this one.
    • As for quietness, I can’y say, but I suppose it uses the stock cooler.

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    • the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Bit of a tangent but could you grace me with the wisdom of how you got CEC to work? I see many conflicting things online and don’t know what hardware/software I need to achieve this. This is the one thing my Bazzite HTPC doesn’t have yet :(

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Good support and Valve? Like, I get people rushing in to defend GabeN here. Especially considering the Summer Sale is currently ongoing. But their support is shit. From my experience you either like what they give you or you get your money back. Little to nothing in between. Gaming Jesus doesn‘t really do compromises so can we at least stop pretending Steam Support is an actual functional instance? It definitely was‘t for me so far and neither do I expect it to be at this point.

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    • JelleWho@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I have so far had 4 advance replacement (get new hardware, ship old hardware back later) for free. Even outside warranty period. And this story is the same for all my friends as far as I know off.

      So I guess we both had quite some different experiences

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    • arschflugkoerper@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Can‘t say I‘ve hand trouble with their hardware support.

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    • Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      From your own experience, in your own words, you said they either solve your problem or they solve it a different way. How is that shit support?

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  • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It also probably does not come with the Steam pug preinstalled on the board, so you have a pug constantly plugged in into a USB. From the listing it looks like one has to install SteamOS themselves? It says “tutorial included on this page”. However it might be more powerful. In the end, this is better than a do it yourself option, if you try to do the exact same thing I guess. The biggest win for the end user is, that this is readily available without waiting until next year.

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Puck*

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      How do Steam machine users charge their Steam Controller then? Just with a USB-C cable? I prefer my external pug to that. The Steam Controller would be kind of a silly product if you wouldn‘t get a good experience without a Steam Machine so this argument is kind of silly too if you ask me. Would be cool if the controller came with a proper stand, though. You shouldn‘t expect your customers to own a 3D printer even though I totally support Valve embracing it but the controller really feels incomplete without it.

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  • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t forget the size of this thing. SM should be compared to minipcs, not ATX towers.

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  • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Does the steam machine having HDMI CEC mean it will be able to stream HD video from streaming services etc?

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    • TheRealKuni@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I kinda doubt it. CEC lets it turn your receiver and TV on when it turns on, and off when it turns off. And lets it adjust volume. Stuff like that.

      At the end of the day it’s still running Linux and my understanding is that streaming services don’t trust Linux users.

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    • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No, but SteamOS does support HDR over HDMI

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  • grinning_serpent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They’re wasting their money then. But fools have a way of accruing money they don’t deserve, for whatever reasons.

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• Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The steam machine is pretty close to prebuilt costs. Its a bad deal because building a PC right now is just a bad deal. Matching the form factor is the biggest cost destroyer. If you want a small efficient gaming PC you dont get much better than the steam machine but if you’ve got enough space for a big 9060 XT then you arent competing vs the steam machine. Granted this is amazing advertising and got to hand it to them. But steam machine isnt 1039 euro is it wouldnt it be more like 900 euro.

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  • TheMightyCat@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    Steam machine is 1039 euro

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thats cooked, thats the same as USD

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  • grinning_serpent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Building a PC isn’t that bad. $1000 is plenty for a competent 1080p machine, especially with DLSS or FSR or even just Lossless Scaling involved.

    If you don’t care about playing the latest and greatest, you can come in around 500 if you can find some decent secondhand deals. 3060’s can be had for around 200 used and they’ll play pretty much anything indie just fine and can probably even handle modern demanding titles with aggressive DLSS and turning features down or off. You can go cheaper with a 2060 super for about 50 less or get a 4060 for about 50 more. Team red will probably be a little cheaper overall, although FSR isn’t quite as good as DLSS at squeezing every last frame out of the chip.

    If you’ll only be playing stuff like Stardew, Crosscode, etc - and there’s a ton of great games like that - then you don’t even need a discrete GPU at all.

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• Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cool, that looks like a beefy system for that price, glad to see options, but:

  • It doesn’t list sizes, mini ITX is usually significantly larger than the Steam Machine.
  • Are they shipping it with SteamOS and will they support it? The page seems to imply it’s coming bare and pointing you to a tutorial on how to install it yourself and marking that as a positive.
  • Will it have CEC? I see no mention of it anywhere.
  • Will it support low power standby and fast resume? Especially during games? I know that’s mostly a software thing, but are they making sure it’s supported here?
  • Can it be woken from that state with a controller?
  • Does it have an internal steam controller antenna?
  • Or a wifi one?
  • Or a Bluetooth one?

  Looks like a good build considering current pricing, but realistically it’s missing a bunch of the core features of the Steam Machine that seems to fly over people’s heads

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  • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Tech people love to forget the average level of tech literacy in the world.

    Every time Nintendo and Switch comes up on Lemmy you see the flood of haters who cant wrap their heads around the idea that parents will pay extra for their kids shit to “just work” and overpay for AAA Nintendo titles that are complete and have no microtransactions.

    The steam machine is for people who remember pc gaming fondly but cant be bothered building a rig or dealing with specs on prebuilts.

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    • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nintendo games have no microtransactions? What in the everloving shit are you talking about? They have some of the most predatory microtransactions i have erver seen. Makio kart 8 teases you with tracks and characters you don’t own every time you play. They know for damn sure that children don’t see the little dlc on the top or know what it means. Same with smash brothers. And these are just the only games i ever bought my nephew used, because fuck them.

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• THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m aware that you can build and even buy a better machine for cheaper. This has always been the case, even now to a degree. Probably why I’m on my third self-built system, but I digress.

  That said, if you already have an Xbox or Playstation, then the Steam Machine works right out of the box. You plug it in to your TV and you have a controller.

  Compared to this where you will need, at least, a mouse and keyboard. Then potentially monitors and speakers or a headset, whatever you want to do.

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  • grinning_serpent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you are tech savvy, don’t waste their money like that. Help them learn how to build their own, or point them to prebuilts with much better cost: performance ratios.

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    • THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Believe me, I’ve tried. They do not care. People who have only used consoles their whole lives will not deal. I’ve tried with different people forever. Even the people I’ve convinced to want one still won’t get one. They’d probably get this. Not for a grand though.

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• lime@feddit.nu ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  and they will support it for the lifetime of the machine, i assume?

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  • devaly@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What kind of support do you want?

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    • fartsparkles@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      For instance my 11 year old Steam Link box, discontinued in 2018, got a firmware update 17 hours ago by Valve.

      That kind of support.

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  • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    On the hardware side, the warranry is 5 years. On the software side, it is Steam responsability, not LDLC. Considering Linux still support some hardware that are more than 30 years old, I suppose you don’t have to worry too much here.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      the big thing in terms of support is developer testability. just like with the deck, it’s basically a given that it will see significantly better support from third parties than any normal pc. it’s the same reason that “you can build a pc with the same performance as an xbox for cheaper” was always irrelevant. and considering valve isn’t selling this at a loss, the prebuilt only managing to undercut it by $40 is quite telling.

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• BigJohnnyHines@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This post and op replies just seem like a thinly veiled ad…

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  • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Honestly, I have no link with LDLC, other than buying components from time to time there (they are basically France small scale Microcenter). It has been quite a while since I last bought something from them though.

    But I found that tentative at viral marketing quite funny, and wanted to share.

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• LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s a pretty good deal. It won’t be as power efficient as the Steam Machine but at least it’s powerful enough to play modern games.

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• richardwallass@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Excellent option

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• thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For Valve its a win anyway.

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