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Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
They should hate PETA too. No one has done more to hurt the cause of ending animal cruelty than PETA.
Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Thank you! Thereâs surprisingly an awful number of supporters here, I donât know whyâŚ
wafflez@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
smirk@sh.itjustworks " in case the textbook anti-PETA rhetoric comes into the threadâŚ
This is why people hate PETA.
Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.
Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:
Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. Thatâs just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and ânews articlesâ as well, so itâs not always very obvious.
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They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, thatâs why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:
[Their biggest victories] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/milestones/) [All victories sorted by recent] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/victories/) (several per week!) See also http://www.petakillsanimalsscam.com/
PETA and their kill-shelters:
PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they canât adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more âhopelessâ animals. See more here.
The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesnât steal and murder pets):
A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmerâs cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didnât wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. Thatâs why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html
The monkey selfie:
The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and itâs an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.
PETA equating milk to racism:
White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over âinferiorâ (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. Thatâs the reason behind their campaign on the issue.
Final thoughts (I promise):
PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.
Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. Iâm not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.
Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). Itâs basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendyâs, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isnât that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETAâs shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into âPETA is stealing peopleâs pets off the streetsâ and Reddit gobbles it up.
The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, âPETA blasts childâs bunny wedding!â But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the âjournalistâ reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, âwe donât support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them.â And that was the end of the story, but that wouldnât get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.
For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.
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citrusface@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Nah Iâm vegan, fuck peta.
Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Iâm a full-time meat eater, but I respect vegans who donât go around minding peopleâs businesses, which is exactly what peta does.
x4740N@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Indeed, fuck peta
wafflez@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
See my message above in response to flying squid. Same message response.
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Donât you mean peter
VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Or maybe the dude from The Hunger Games? You know, the weird one with the bad name?
Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
That too, but not as much as PeTA
saltesc@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Well it may not have had much a family since hens cannibalise their chicks.
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
God fucked up and made them way too tasty
Sheeple@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Chickens are basically tiny raptors. They even hunt mice when given the chance
wafflez@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Thatâs why Iâm a cannibal
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Itâs finger licking good
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Itâs feather licking good
x4740N@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
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Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
VeGaNs BAAAD amirite??? Updoots to the left my fellow narwhals *tips fedora*
ChronosWing@lemmy.zip â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Vegans are fine, PETA on the other hand is a shitty horrible organization that needs to burn in a fire.
VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Vegans are like religious people: most of them are totally fine. Itâs the preachy and overly defensive ones that suck.
dx1@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Yeah, itâs the ones who talk about their thoughts that are the issue. Fucking jerks!
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Would you also consider it preachy when people criticize other cases of animal harm, like bullfighting or dog beating, or is it just the financing of factory farming that canât be criticized? If so, why? Itâs troublesome that people enforce a social stigma that you canât talk about what we do to farm animals without suffering social consequences.
MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Yes.đ
x4740N@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Fuck PETA
EmhyrVarEmreis@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Yes đ¤
orwellianlocksmith@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Wow, so clever, nobody ever heard this one before!!! Thanks for bringing a whole new joke into the world!!! You did it!!!
Sotuanduso@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I actually havenât heard it before.
Ignisnex@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
You didnât need to be a dick, you know. You chose that for yourself.
DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Aint there been a load of questions about PETA and the way they personally treat animals? Like putting down healthy animals. Also mocking up/faking photos.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Not really. There is a bunch of propaganda spread about them though.
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
You mean the one time they kidnapped someoneâs pet from their porch and had them put down? Or the fact their kill shelters kill more animals than actual animal shelters?
Ya. Theyâre evil.
dx1@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Aaaaand the reddit crowd is here.
Sheeple@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Implying the reddit crowd wasnât what Lemmy always was made of.
ZaroniPepperoni@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
And you can rest easy knowing the chicken also likes to eat chicken (and chicks), just like you đ *maybe not that last part
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Lol
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I have decided to lock the comments of this post. Thereâs been too much toxic engagement.
1simpletailer@startrek.website â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Redditors when you imply there may be some ethical problems with modern meat consumption: VEgaNs ArE a BuNcH of PreCHy SnoWflaKes!!1! PETA MurdERS iN THier SHelteRS!!1!!
Ding goes the oven, your Tyson nuggies are ready!
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
+1
The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding
HawlSera@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Remember when we were gullible enough to think that PETA was a reputable organization.
A shame JREF is too quiet to change their public receptionâŚ
thorbot@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
[deleted]dx1@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
GTFO with the âsoyboysâ shit. This isnât truth.social.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
As someone who raised chickens: they could care more about family ties.
Of course there will be differences between breeds and individuals but some things I witnessed:
Chickens are not gentle. In great enough numbers, chickens will even attack their predator. The birds can evaluate risk/success odds.
Again, there are more tame breeds and less tame ones. Some are the spawn of the deep pits where nightmares fester and grow.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Far to many people that have no experience with animals give them human thoughts and competency.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Anthropomorphism.
Thatâs a mouth full.
Sometimes it seems we are too evolved for our own good but I like to think this tendency of ours will lead to a greater good.
creditCrazy@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
That theory goes out the window when you have a city sliker meet a farm animal in person. One of my favorite childhood pass times was seeing city blokes cower in fear of petting a chicken or goat especially when that same person has pictures of chickens in their home because they are cute
abraxas@sh.itjust.works â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Iâve got a mug from a town I used to live in. Itâs a rooster with the name âShitty Larryâ written across it. He was a local celeb. A rooster so badly behaved he had to be rehomed, and the people who adopted him created a whole lifestyle around dealing with his âanticsâ.
As I was leaving, Fucking Frank was also coming into the spotlight.
Theyâre assholes. But they taste good.
HawlSera@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Would people need to realize, especially those in pita, is that we cannot compare the suffering and mass killing animals to the same humans. Speaking to someone who loves animals, they are a completely different life form that do not have human morals, values, intelligence, or emotion.
Which isnât to say that they donât have their own intelligence or emotion, itâs just very different from what the human thought process is like.
Thus it would be absurd to put them on the same pedestal as homosapiens, evolutionarily speaking.
Life is not a Disney cartoon, that I understand that I will be down voted by vegans who donât understand this and will call me cruel.
That said I obviously support the Humane treatment of animals, but if you think Iâm going to stop eating a creature that would eat me with far less hesitation if the roles were reversed, you are truly a fool.
Xylinna@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
My grandmother raised chickens and there was rooster that used to harass my mother and her siblings and they hated the rooster. Apparently one day the rooster pecked at my grandmotherâs leg and then they had rooster stew for dinner. Point of the story is that roosters are assholes.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Coq au vin is worth it for the time and labour to prepare it.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
ugh, the consequences of internet grammarian fascism: people using normative language to make a quirky riff on a nonsense âruleâ
justlookingfordragon@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
We had chickens when I was a teen. They regularily hunted, killed and ate small rodents, lizards/snakes and sometimes even small birds like young sparrows whenever they could catch them - everything that fits into a chickenâs beak is fair game. And it wasnât exactly a pretty sight. Imagine a single panicked field mouse being chased by sixteen feathered mini velociraptors, all trying to kill the mouse first, and then all fighting each other FOR the (hopefully) dead prey, as noone ever wanted to share their kill.
Funnily enough, the rooster was was a cuddly little idiot. (he got beaten up by the hens occasionally)
And just t add some proof for some of the points above, hereâs a video of a single hen killing a hawk (warning, it is kinda graphic). They donât even need great numbers to shred their wannabe predators - one really p*ssed off chicken and an opportunity to strike back, thatâs all it takes.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I didnât witness it but there a few chicken farms around the area - the kind where chickens can freely roam around a huge shed - and I was told from a acquaintace that works at one they had been on the look out for foxes, as they had already destroyed a few coops around the farm.
One morning they arrive at the barn to find a few dead chickens and two foxes partially skeletonized on the floor. It was a gruesome sight and the recording from the security cameras showes the foxes had been completely overrun by a mob of angry chickens that pecked, kicked and essentially killed by the thousand cuts method the two foxes.
The few chickens the foxes managed to kill were not enough to deter the mob but instead served to further spur it into a killer frenzy.
Because foxes are a protectes species, they had to call the authorities to give notice and have the cadavers picked up. Even the municipal vet was horrified at the state the chickens had left the foxes.
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Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
iâve heard chickens will just casually peck others to death if they have a wound too, like itâs not even malice or removing competition, they just do it from some fucked up instinct.
Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I own chickens and have had a bullying problem in the past. In the winter they have a lot less space and they get bored and stressed easily. The hen that took the âroosterâ/protector role started pecking the smallest and sweetest chicken and drew blood. I had to keep the small chicken isolated from the flock for a few weeks while its wounds healed and put special goggles on the bully chicken for a month- they prevent it from seeing in front of itself so it forgets whatâs there after a few seconds. Yeah they can be vicious, but itâs definitely preventable if theyâre raised right instead of at a factory farm.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I once read about a turkey that had to be wraped on a tea towel to allow a wound to heal as the creature kept pecking at it and ripping out pieces of flesh that would glady eat.
That is pretty high on the extreme behavior list. And I think it was a pet turkey.
x4740N@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Wonât pigs gladly eat a whole person
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Jesus
Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Theyâre intelligent and very instinctive birds from birth- that doesnât mean that theyâre vicious though. My chickens that Iâm raising are all sweethearts. Itâs all a matter of their environment. If you overcrowd them in an indoor factory farm of course theyâre going to turn on each other, theyâre extremely stressed out. Chickens that are raised outdoors with lots of space and different kinds of food are a lot less likely to act up and turn on each other. You can even taste a noticeable difference in eggs from happy chickens.
Roosters on the other hand are usually fucking assholes.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I had about a dozen chickens in an outdoors coop, with plenty of space (about 32 cubic metres of tridimensional space) and often carried them around in a chicken tractor (birds of prey area where I live) for grazing and some individuals exihibited extreme behaviors.
Again, variations will occur from breed to breed and from individual to individual.
Some breeds are especially known for being tamer than others and more concerned with eggs and brood than others.
Iâll partially agree on your statement that all roosters are assholes: we had one that enjoyed crowing when we were trying to talk anywhere in the birdâs line of sight.
Emerald@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
You could save all of this cruelty by using egg substitutes and faux meats instead.
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I could keep these little dinosaurs as pets, with no other objective or purpose besides admiring them because they are pretty to look at and that would not prevent any of the behaviors I listed.
What Iâm about to say may evade you but cruelty is not an exclusive trait to human beings and chicken are a good example of it. They can be extremely cruel towards their own kind just for the sake of it. Not out of scarcity of food or living space. Just because they want to make another animal miserable.
dx1@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
I reckon, in the Bible alone, for example, you could find instances of humans doing all these things to each other. At least 4/5.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
The only one Iâm having trouble thinking of an example is the chicks rising up against the matriarch, but thatâs simply because I cannot think of an example of a matriarch in The Bible. The rest are covered in the Old Testament, possibly even The Torah.
HawlSera@lemm.ee â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Have they call it cock fighting for a reason, and no this ainât no dick joke
qyron@sopuli.xyz â¨8⊠â¨months⊠ago
Hate animal fights. The only animal fights Iâll condone involve two homo sapiens trying to pour each others brains through their hear onto the ground, by means of punches and/or kicks to the head, at the sound of a bell.