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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you follow the etymology, Dutchland is just Deutschland, which is how you say Germany in German. Of course, it has been like 500 years since it was reasonable to say that the Netherlanders are just anothers group of Germans like the Bavarians or Saxons.

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  • notsosure@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That is not a reason they are called Dutch though.

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    • Little8Lost@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Thank you for disclosing that you used ai

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    • huppakee@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The English word for the people from the Netherlands (’Dutch’) and German word for German (’Deutsch) have exactly the same root. Back then the word referred to a much larger group of people. Over time these languages became more distinctly different languages (as opposed to different versions of a similar language) and the English decided to give the German language a new name and not the Dutch.

      Looking back it would have made more sense to continue calling German Dutch because it is more similar to the German word. We use Nederland (Netherland) as name for our country and Nederlands (Netherlandish / Netherlandic) as name for our language.

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    • Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That info is a mess, and doesn’t really apply to the topic. It’s also misleading.

      The root of the word afaik is found in exactly one word each of the three relevant languages: “deutsch”, “duits”, “dutch”.

      “deutsch” is german and means german.
      “duits” is dutch and means german.
      “dutch” id english and means dutch.

      So if you literally translate "dutch land* using their closest equivalents based on word history into any germanic language, you will obtain “german land” i.e. germany.
      No idea what english was doing here, but every germanic language can agree the word-family of dutch should have it mean german.
      Maybe the netherlands were the only relevant country to england so they just called those particular duitsmen the only duits and then had to replace the original meaning of the word with german when duits was changed.

      Either way, the etymology of the word “þiudiskaz” is definitely not the reason the dutch are called that in english, the reason for that must be in english itself probably in the last 500 years somewhere. It is a uniquely english and relatively modern phenomenon, forming the meme of this post since it neither makes sense nor matches and of the actual nations or native languages involved.

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    • dreugeworst@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      you know, the AI answer is not that bad, but I have to wonder why you didn’t think about it. the peoples who would later become the Dutch and Germans used to refer to themselves using a similar term that meant ‘of the people’ because they saw themselves, collectively, as broadly similar peoples. OP is not wrong that English people use the word Dutch (rather than something like netherlandish) because there wasn’t much distinction made between German and Dutch at the time. That is, when a broader grouping than city or town was thought of at all.

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• witty_username@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Don’t worry, ‘the Netherlands’ is also not what it’s called here

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  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Please tell me you aren’t just saying “Holland”.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Pays-Bas ?

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    • witty_username@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      We just call it Nederland

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  • SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    "Never Netherlands "

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• Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  When I was in Japan, I asked a receptionist if England-language was okay. Japanese has a word for “English”, it just didn’t exist in my head in that second. I still think about this 12 years later.

  (Also, everything else is country-language too, France-language, Germany-language, China-language, Japan-language, why does England-language get to be special, why, Japanese people, why?!)

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  • Malgas@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s because “England” has a Japanese style adjective-country formation (英国), which then follows the native pattern for language (英語). By contrast, “Germany” (ドイツ) and “France” (フランス) are borrowed phonetically.

    To your complaint about “Japan-language”, note that Japan’s official name is 日本国.

    What I can’t explain is why 国 comes along for the ride when it’s China. (中国語)

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    • Lightfire228@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I vaguely remember from Japanese class that China’s name means “middle country”

      But i dunno about that “go” character specifically

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    • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Which still leaves the question why 英国 is treated differently from, say, 独国, 仏国 and 米国 ;D

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  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I was going to defend why it’s like that, but then I realized that I’m woefully under-qualified to defend any aspect of modern English as something well-understood, thought-out, or otherwise consistent with the rest of the language. Either you’re at the top of this field, or a rank amateur - there is no in-between. If I’m going to get skewered on the internet today, I’d rather it be in a Trek forum or something.

    TL;DR: English is a mess.

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    • Rolder@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Pretty sure they are complaining about the Japanese language here. In Japanese, the words for languages are generally just a compound word of “Nation + character for language”. So French is “France Language” if you took it literally.

      Except the word for English which gets to be different

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    • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I was indeed complaining about Japanese. At least English is consistently weird whereas Japanese makes you lower your defenses with its VERY regular grammar (and then hits you over the head with different politeness-levels). ;)

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• izax@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And the French are from Frenchland, right?

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  • hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And the English are from Englishland and the Spanish are from Spanishland, and the Portuguese are from Portugueseland, and the Chinese are from Chineseland

    I don’t see the problem here

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    • Redredme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Americanland! Let’s not forget that one.

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  • affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Franzosen aus Frankreich

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• notsosure@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You know the worst part? The Dutch donut even care.

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  • Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    As long as you don’t call us holland we’re happy

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Netherrealmers

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• Hjalamanger@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Holländare -> Holland

  Easy as that

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  • zout@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I'm Dutch but not from Holland. There's dozens of us.

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    • Hjalamanger@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      And no one from Sweden is going to acknowledge the difference, here Holland = Netherlands

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    • affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Limburg?

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• Beacon@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Deutschland, obviously

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  • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Holland, obviously!

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• bluemoon@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  skill language issue.

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• saltnotsugar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  D….Dutch…DÜTCHNTOWN?

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• DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  East india.

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• atek@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc

  All you need to know! The problem is remembering it…

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• QueenFern@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  youtu.be/-csGDoSSZyc

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Everytime

  It’s not a word, my dude.

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