Why do we tolerate it
The person who ceaselessly bashes their head against a brick wall hoping to knock it down will accomplish one thing, and it’s not knocking the wall down
Why do we tolerate it that Luigi Mangione is being held in prison. We know its absolutely the least safe place he can be?
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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BmeBenji@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This isn’t really abnormal. He’s accused of murder, and a pretty high profile one at that. It’s not uncommon in the slightest for people accused of high profile crimes and people accused of murder to be held in custody pending trial.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
To clarify: There are only two actual reasons that you can legally be held without bail. The first reason is that you’re considered a flight risk. The second reason is that you’re considered a danger to yourself or others if let out of prison before your trial.
For the first reason, this basically means that the courts don’t believe you would return for your trial, and would flee instead. Maybe you’re rich enough that you can afford to lose the bail money. Maybe you have international connections and can disappear to another country. Maybe you just have a history of fleeing. The Adjuster is 100% without a doubt a flight risk. He fled authorities and evaded a nationwide manhunt for an entire week. And since Luigi is accused of being The Adjuster, he is considered a flight risk.
For the second reason, this is basically the court going “you were accused of something so violent or egregious that we don’t trust you to avoid doing something similar again while out on bail.” This is most often used with cases like school shooters, serial killers, serial rapists, serial burglars, domestic abusers where the victim could be targeted again, etc… But a scummy pro-corporation judge could construe The Adjuster as a violent offender who is likely to strike again.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Maybe you’re guilty and your freedom is worth more to you than any amount of money.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Dude probably gets a standing ovation every time he enters a room.
fujiwood@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They would absolutely not allow him to die in prison.
They want to make a public example of him in order to show the proletariat they they are the masters.
They will find a way to find him guilty and they will execute him. They will make sure we all know it.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
They did it to Joe Hill.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Why are people generally in prison? Usually because they’re violent, drug addicted or at odds with the status quo.
Luigi is in prison accused of killing a man responsible for getting people hooked on drugs, marginalizing the already marginalized and poor, and ruining the lives of millions.
I think the inmates would be more likely to treat him like a hero.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
I don’t think it’s the inmates OP is worried about.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The guards and administration want him alive.
People like Epstein die in prison because showing up in court runs the risk of taking down powerful people. People like Luigi always have their day to be dragged through the mud in court before they rot away forever in jail, with random reminders that they’re still alive and suffering.
SPRUNT@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I thought the least safe place was an American school.
Grimtuck@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I thought it was in America and I’m need of urgent surgery.
Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
The truth is that he may never see daylight. They want to make an example of him lest others get similar ideas.
People with nothing to lose have little reason not to follow his example and make the greedy fuckers in this society pay.
brax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Imagine people getting diagnosed with terminal cancer forming an army?
boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are stupid questions.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I hope the prisoners treat him as a king in there
Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They 100% are
nomy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I remember a video right after he was taken into custody of inmates yelling out the windows about “free luigi” and “luigis conditions are terrible” of course they love him. He killed a greedy healthcare CEO, you could argue he did the world a favor.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean he’s accused of premeditated murder, has the resources to flee, and I’m pretty sure “they” want a spectacle to make an example.
they wont let him get shanked by accident, and they wont Epstein him until they have their spectacle
wakko@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How do you know that to be true? What evidence do you have to support the hypothesis?
Even if the outcome you fear to be true comes to pass, that will not mean you were correct today.
Without evidence to support the hypothesis, you’re doing nothing more complicated than guessing the result of flipping a coin.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How do you know any prediction is true. What evidence would satisfy you?
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I mean that’s what jail is for.
Think about it this way. If a young adult (like 18 year old) kills a parent as revenge for getting abused as a kid, do you think this person would just get to move freely before trial?
Sure, I’d also sympathize with this young adult, and the parent deserve to die for being an abusive piece of shit, but that doesn’t mean this person can just go wandering around the city.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe because killing unarmed civilians is wrong. Maybe because starting armed violence is wrong. Maybe because the number of CEOs didn’t decrease and healthcare isn’t getting any better.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Science demands rigorous testing of all three of those hypotheses before making a conclusion.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I present to you 15,000 of human history. 40,000 if you count the Neanderthal extinction.
Reyali@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Anecdotal observation I received from a doctor’s office indicates there may be some change in the insurance industry…
Last month I saw a surgeon who does not take insurance, but her office helps people get all the pre-authorizations done to file an out-of-network claim. They told me that of the codes they bill, there’s one that used to have a 50/50 chance of getting approved. But after 12/6/24 they see it come back approved every time.
Without more data to back this up I recognize it’s not enough to say anything for sure, but this does point to insurance companies more broadly approving claims.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m glad you at least admit there is no significance without actual data to back the claim up. My guess is that denial rates are only getting worse with the prevalence of AI in form assessment and documentation industries, and especially with federal funding cuts and freezes to insurers.
zephorah@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
True. I think even if he gets off, they’ll kill him. Remember all the whistleblower deaths in 2024? Like that.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Epstein ring a bell?
mattbnr@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Probably because he’s a murderer and deserves to be in prison
glitch1985@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Alleged murder. For the time being at least we have due process.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There is a lot of reasonable doubt: no matching eyebrows, different clothes, suspicious evidence processing, disconnect in time-line, weird arrest conditions…
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let me guess, one of those innocent until proven guilty types with its your favorite pedo.
andybytes@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
No, he is a revolutionary, and you are a person with your thumb up your butt. And there’s nothing wrong with having your thumb up your butt, but you are in denial about having your thumb up your butt.
mke_geek@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
A murderer is not a revolutionary. He’s just a murderer.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Luigi Mangione has been selected as the new pope
AntAcid@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
America is a country of fat, lazy, cowards that can’t be bothered to not litter. Much less fight and die for anything besides an 80" tv.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fat lazy coward checking in
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The question is easier to answer with any sympathy and understanding when you ask any given individual if they’re personally planning a jailbreak on behalf of this person. At least that seems to be the calculus for what “tolerate” means here.
There’s little room for parties not directly involved to work within the system and if the independence of the judiciary is under suspicion then “fight and die” is literally the prospect people would have to face to reasonably do anything about this and that’s a pretty high bar, one which I doubt many would-be critics of the “fat, lazy cowards” would be willing clear themselves.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Well I mean what are you going to do? He’s in jail, accused of a crime. The government has him on a valid warrant.
Even if you wanted to break him out, he’s here:
en.wikipedia.org/…/Metropolitan_Detention_Center,…
Good fucking luck.
There’s simply nothing to do but wait for his case.
System_below@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
Good fucking luck.
There’s simply nothing to do but wait for his case.>
Nothing to do but get the prisons blueprints, have said blueprints tattooed onto body but covertly hidden within a being design. Then commit a serious but non violent crime to land yourself in the prison and then prison break
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
The premise of Michael’s tattoos was so much cooler than the actual execution and need for them. His tattoos were basically “here’s a tiny screwdriver shape in this giant demon”, “here’s a number that I could just have remembered but instead put it on a clock”, and so on.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I just see is defense fund growing while knowing it’s all for naught. Waiting for the day everyone becomes surprised pichachu because…