This is actually addressed in the books. There’s a part when Harry is whining how nobody believed him when he said Voldemort was back and Hermione basically goes “Dude, you convinced Cedric to touch the cup at the same time you did, then you both disappeared and you came back with his dead body screaming about an evil wizard who has been dead for more than a decade. I only believed you because I’m your friend.”
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stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
It’s a huge plot point in the fifth book/film as well. Lots of people including the ministry don’t want to believe him.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Yeah but the movies specifically frame it more as “the ministry has been infiltrated” and less as “Harry, your story is shady af”
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 5 days ago
For an intelligent take on Harry Potter I can recommend hpmor.com I found it better than the original books.
RarePossum@programming.dev 5 days ago
I personally found HPMOR to be self aggrandising garbage that throws around scientific terms to try and be rationalist but uses them all wrong anyway.
Also the authors a cult leader. Somehow.
gramie@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
I thought that it used up all its good insights covering the first couple of books, and then limped to the ending.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Also the authors a cult leader. Somehow.
is he ?
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Fair warning: what this is, is, Elizer yes-that-guy Yudkowsky wrote a one-and-done Harry Potter novel, and it is everything you would expect. Some aspects are fantastic! Others… yikes. Within two chapters, it goes from spotting Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism in the Death Eaters’ whole pitch, to declaring Hermoine an NPC unless she can pass a gatekeeping knowledge-check about quarks.
A detail I love that’s not a spoiler: Crabbe and Goyle are well-characterized to act exactly the way they are in canon. They’ve been molded as bodyguards since they were little, and now they’re in wizard middle school getting to play tough-guy bruisers on Draco’s behalf, so of course they’re tryhard doofuses that he finds mildly embarrassing. But when Quirrel invites one of them to spar, demonstrating the ancient mystical defense known as… judo… Goyle quietly asks what belt he has. Quirrel says “seventh dan.” The tough-guy act comes right back up, and Goyle throws himself into it, because he knows he’s about to get his ass kicked, safely.
The whole thing is ultimately about modeling people on these layers of facade. A lot of it gets overly analytical and kinda up-its-own-ass. Certain characters call that out and condemn actions at face value, so some of it’s deliberate writing for the protagonist and antagonist. But only some.
Even with abundant benefit of the doubt, figuring ‘this guy wrote Harry like a know-it-all child,’ any recommendation would be complicated.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
My spouse has been relistening to the books on tape recently and so I have been hearing it by proxy.
The narrators really put in the work to make some flimsy writing seem engaging. Like in one of the later books there’s this significant scene where some evil magic makes an evil visage of Hermione. In the subsequent chronological scene the real Hermione is super angry at Ron and not once does the writing reference or make a connection with any of the imagery between the two.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Eh, read Diana Wynne Jones instead.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Just literally any books other than Harry Potter instead. Joanne had a generation locked in. Every form of media, spin-off, merch, a effing section of Universal Studios, etc. with unlimited money, and she could’ve just disappeared to do whatever she wanted to. Instead, she gets online and mouths off incessantly, alienating a good chunk of her base, and revealing what an awful human being she actually is. She could’ve been illegally racing panda bears in go-karts around her back yard and no one would ever have known. Just doing eccentric rich person stuff. It’s one of the biggest disappointments.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
I only like the first three Harry Potter books, when Scabbers goes, so does the book having any credibility it seems.
People don’t like Harry Potter for the story, so when it tries too be serious it falls apart. The part of Harry Potter people enjoy is the whimsy of the wizarding world, that’s it.
rowdyrockets@lemm.ee 5 days ago
You don’t speak for all people. No doubt what you said is true for some. My favorite books were 4 and 5.
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Book 4 is great, but honestly, what is there to like about book 5? Nothing fucking happens in the entire thing. In my opinion it has always been the absolute worst of the series.
tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
6 and 7 for me. It got dark in a good way
Zementid@feddit.nl 5 days ago
If magic interferes and influences electricity, which means it can be measured, analyzed and manipulated as a new form of energy.
To cover up magic on all “fronts” would be impossible by today’s standards. Harry Potter would never be as successful nower days as it was. Simply because the smartphone enters the life’s of humans as essential device very early in life.
Kind of hard to switch off all those thoughts.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 5 days ago
Easiest explanation is: there is no electricity in hogwarts and wizards don’t have electricians nor electricity generation, so “electricity doesn’t work in hogwarts”.
If magic was electromagnetic or at least can be measured by effects that it has wizards would have been found during 20th century by general populace.
gramie@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Sounds like someone needs to read “Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality”.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Nowadays* one word.
MBM@lemmings.world 5 days ago
Unless it does so unpredictably / always exactly the way you don’t want it to. It’s magic after all.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Disagree. My kids love Harry Potter.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Even then, Harry Potter canonically took place in the early 90’s even though it released in the 2000’s
lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 5 days ago
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 5 days ago
HPMOR does a great job of making Harry Potter’s world rational and believable
hpmor.com
mlg@lemmy.world 4 days ago
For me it’s always the unexplained power nerfing that authors do just to advance the plot.
Harry Potter in the first 3 books was fearless, he literally took on voldemort with his bare hands.
Then when the dumbass plan with the port key cup happens, he just stands there like an idiot as the rat dude kills Cedric and revives Voldemort as if both he and Cedric don’t have wands that allow them to cast spells.
I mean they could have maybe had like 20 wizards camping the graveyard to make escaping impossible, but nah they really tried to make the coward rat guy seem like he was now somehow more capable than all of voldemort’s previously defeated plans combined.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Flashes back to Tails being scared of Chaos Zero despite having defeated Chaos 4 before
Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Same with Fantastic Beasts, first one was just a whimsical adventure of Newt, second one tried to be serious and was a steaming pile of 💩
loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I only saw the first and it already made me wonder “How do they tell which animals are magical and should be hidden from the muggles?”, like how would muggles knowing about the blast-ended skrewts or that platipus-like think lead them to know about the wizarding world?
djsoren19@yiffit.net 4 days ago
Eh, the first one also tried to have a serious subplot, and that subplot also sucked enough ass to make the climax of the film flop.