I've noticed a lot of UK job applications use the American MM/DD/YYYY date format and some also say "resume" instead of CV. Does that annoy you if you're British?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨FlyingSquid@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

It annoys me even though I’m still in the U.S.

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some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The only correct format is from greatest to smallest: yyyy-mm-dd

This is, in my mind, verifiable by noting the way that lists are ordered when using this format. They are sequential. This isn’t true for either of the other formats.

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- xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  As a programmer I agree. I have fucked around with trying to parse unrestricted user inputs of dates and I have found out.
  
  Year first is the only way I can actually know which value is day vs. month.
  
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  - Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Why don’t programmers make a programme that can read dates instead of complaining that dates aren’t in a obscure format?
    
    They in control of their own issues.
    
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- blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s great for lists but I don’t know a single person who’s gonna say “hey let’s meet up on 2024 December 11th.”
  
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  - tate@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Dates written in a numbers only format are not about matching the spoken language. You also would not say, “let’s meet on twelve eleven twenty twentyfour.”
    
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  - xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You must not know many programmers that have had to deal with American date formatting then.
    
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- oo1@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Yes.
  
  If I saw that in a job advert I might just apply without reading the rest. I don’t think I ever have though.
  
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DeepChill@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
When you are writing the date, the only correct way is ISO8601 (YYYY-MM-DD). If you’re speaking to someone (verbal communication) then do whatever you want.

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- Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  when making someone a cup of tea, the only correct way is ISO3103. if youre making it for yourself then do whatever you want.
  
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  - Ixoid@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Holy shit, that ISO is real. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103
    
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- phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  There is a reason though. It’s because you probably want to put dates in order and when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format. If you put the month first, then the day, then the year, the default sorting behavior will order things incorrectly chronologically speaking.
  
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  - GamingChairModel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format
    
    I’d go even further than that, and point out that the reason why computers sort things in this order is because that’s the most logical way to convey specific dates.
    
    Most significant digits on the left, descending left to right, in order, is how we do all other numerical representations. It’s only dates that we have different norms.
    
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  - _bcron@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Any important document I have is named ‘yyyymmdd(number)(briefdescription)’. Sort by name or date, I don’t care
    
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9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The date thing is infuriating because the American date format just shouldn’t exist

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- themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  ISO is best. There’s no debate there. From a data science perspective, YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable choice.
  
  But most of the time you’re using dates, you’re only concerned with the month and day. That’s the very reason we don’t use ISO in our daily lives. If you started every mention of a date with the year, people would think you’re a crazy person, or a time traveler, or perhaps a recently-awakened coma patient. There’s just no need to begin with the year. Next Wednesday, 2024 December 18.
  
  If you exclude the year, then the choice is month/day or day/month. Between the two, month/day is far more useful for the same reasons ISO is best. If I need both the month and the day, then I want the month first. The only time I would want the day first is if the month doesn’t matter, and I can omit the month in that case. Giving me the day first and then the month forces me to wait for the month and then remember the day. It’s inefficient transfer of information. If you exclude the year, MM/DD is objectively, if only marginally, better than DD/MM.
  
  But then why would anyone use MM/DD/(YY)YY? Because we’re already using MM/DD.
  
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  - xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Ahem - there is a debate… it’s over / vs. -. As is proper - all true debates should be over minor formatting decisions (soft tabs over my fucking dead body).
    
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  - SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I’ll see you on the 1st of the 1st.
    
    I see nothing wrong with that. The day number moves most frequently, so that should go first. The month moves second most frequently, so that should go second. Putting the month first makes it odd.
    
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- blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  The dates are written to match how it’s said. In the US we say our dates as month day year, and before you say “But the 4th of July” my counterpoint is that the 4th of July takes place on July 4th. And Cinco de Mayo takes place on May 5th. And May the Fourth Be With You takes place on May 4th.
  
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  - TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I never thought of that. Thanks for the clarification.
    
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- Chainweasel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It just depends on how you say it out loud.
  Here in the us, we would say today is December 11th, so we write it the same way, 12/11.
  Other parts of the world would say today is the 11th of December, so they write it that way, 11/12.
  
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- gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Its the ISO format everyone loves but from the time before digital computers needed to sort our dates, so we put the year at the end as it’s generally the least important if something isn’t digital
  
  I get not liking something cuz it’s different, but it amazes me how many people pretend it’s bad
  
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AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
MM/DD/YYYY would annoy me wherever it’s from, because it’s wilfully perverse.

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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s from the country that elected a pervert, so…
  
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  - Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Do you have any idea how little that narrow it down?
    
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- thebigslime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It matches the speech order in English. Today is December tenth, 2024.
  
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  - anothermember@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Where did you get this idea from? In British English 11th of December is more common. I’m open to the idea that American English does it differently and that’s fine but to assert that the entire English speaking world does it like that is incorrect and ignorant.
    
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  - MrNobody@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Maybe where you live, but no. Today is actually the 12th of december. Yanks like to say thats how it is but I have never, or rather rarely, heard them call their independence day July 4th. It’s always 4th of July. So, no. Its not the speech order.
    
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  - Rogue@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Is there a Lemmy community for /c/ShitAmericansSay
    
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  - smeenz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Nope. It’s the 12th of December . Just like the 4th of July.
    
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  - kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Not in nz
    
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ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I’m not from either place.

I was under the impression that a CV and a resume are different things. A CV is a general compilation of all things you’ve done, and a resume is a curated list used for applying to jobs.

I do know that they’re used interchangeably for the most part, but this is how I was explained the difference in practice.

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- jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  No, they are the same thing.
  
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  - MrQuallzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    They are not
    
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  - ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Oh. Okay. So just different words? Like sidewalk & footpath?
    
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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  They seem to be used interchangeably in the UK at the jobs I’m applying for, but what I have is definitely CV and not resume.
  
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- Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  They are the same thing.
  
  Lots of things list them both with a slash showing then to be the same thing.
  
  CV is more correct though.
  
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  - charles@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    They’re definitely not the same thing even though they’ve been used interchangeably more and more.
    
    A CV is a comprehensive overview of everything you’ve accomplished and can be fairly long in certain cases (I’ve seen CVs of specialized professionals or tenured professors that are close to 10 pages long).
    
    On the other hand, a resume is a concise list of your relevant skills and experiences that should be tailored to the position you are applying to and should almost never be longer than 2 pages.
    
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oo1@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
It doesn’t “annoy” me.

I like employers to be open and honest about their various incompetencies. Saves time.

There’s a few other warning signs in that statement too - nice of them sift themselves out so quickly.

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- deadcatbounce@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  This.
  
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MrQuallzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
They’re similar, but used for different purposes. According to UC Davis (University of California), these are the differences

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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  “CV” is definitely not only used for academic positions in the UK. They almost always say CV instead of resume. That’s much less common than the date format.
  
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Nanook@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Without going into the rabbit hole of explaining:

Curriculum Vitae: all your education, training, experience, skills. Can be multiple pages. Resume: the highlights + relevant for the application. Preferred on one page. Resume goes on top of the CV.

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SandLight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
As for dates, it’s possible it’s stored as a raw date and downstairs for display. If that’s the case it could be up to the browser to suggest a localization for form input and display. I can’t say for that site you are using but it is possible.

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Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
It’s the same shit as the kids saying “candy” instead of sweets in the UK, and getting british accents from Peppa Pig in the US.

The date stuff is super stupid though :

Fuck the US date scheme

You don’t need fucking day numbers for anything on your CV, except your DOB.

7th Jan 2007 . You’re welcome, now it doesn’t really matter which order you put the DD/MM
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- xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  7th Jan 2007 . You’re welcome, now it doesn’t really matter which order you put the DD/MM
  
  But do you write September as Sep, or Sept? I’ve heard that this is also a British/USA thing
  
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  - Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    doesn’t matter in this context, both can be interpreted as the ninth month
    
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Ballissle@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Im british and yes that annoys me.

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- Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Need more people like David Mitchell to complain about these things.
  
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user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I am from Europe. About the dates, for me it depends.
In personal things, I generally use the American date format because I got used to it. And when going through a list of things month first is often nicer to look at.

When giving something to someone else, I use date compatible with RFC3339 and ISO8601 standards (YYYY-MM-DD).
Quick comparison between the two: ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/

But people have questioned me about both, since DD. MM. [YY]YY is basically the only format used in my country, but I don’t like it.

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