What is going to happen when AI becomes extremely advanced?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Buttflapper@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I asked someone this question before and they said it was a really stupid question and I’m not sure why so thought I would ask it here…

What’s going to happen when AI becomes really advanced? Is there a plan for what all of the displaced people are going to do? Like for example administrative assistance, receptionist, cashiers, office workers, White collar people. Is there going to be some sort of retraining program of some sort to get people cross-trained into other careers like nursing or other careers that have not yet been automated? Or are people just going to lose their homes, be evicted and is there going to be like some sort of mass eviction and homelessness downstream effect because people can’t find any work?

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CondensedPossum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The reason your someone might have thought this was a stupid question is because

there is no evidence that AGI is imminent or even possible

current tech labeled as AI is really limited in very boring ways, like LLMs

If some thing gets sold as an AGI, it will be a Mechanical Turk, As in, it will be a magic trick that actually uses human laborers like Amazon’s “AI Store” where you just walk out with your purchases. “If it works, it’s mechanical turks.”
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- Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  AGI isn’t possible? You will need some proof for that.
  
  Computers are already faster and more reliable than humans in lots of things, whe shouldn’t they be better tomorrow?
  
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  - fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My very limited understanding, is simply that LLMs are not an early iteration of AGI.
    
    In the same way automobiles are not an early iteration of aeroplanes. They use some of the same tech but before there were aeroplanes no one really knew what was possible.
    
    It’s true that computers get faster and more amazing, but that’s not an indication that AGI is possible.
    
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  - AdNecrias@lemmy.pt ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    He’s saying there’s no proof it is. Like there’s no proof of God. Doesn’t mean it isn’t magically possible but in our reality there isn’t a defined way. If there was we’d be there.
    
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cloudless@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If there is AGI and it doesn’t turn hostile towards humans, hopefully there could be universal basic income?

But more likely, the rich and powerful have better access to advanced AI, and the poor get into even more difficult situations. It will probably be gradual like how machines replaced most factory workers.

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- Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  We’re already seeing it. Jobs are going down because AI allows companies to do the same work with less headcount.
  
  There is no reality in which the workers actually benefit though. Never has been. When machine looms and steam engines came into being, the workers didn’t get any richer or had to work less for the same pay either. Jobs disappeared, most people got other jobs, some better, most worsew and the unluckiest starved.
  
  History always repeats.
  
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  - HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Jobs disappeared, most people got other jobs, some better, most worse and the unluckiest starved.
    
    What happened is that people started to stay longer in school, agricultural labour withered, and with it, kids having to work the fields at a very young age. People became more educated, resulting in more democratic societies, more equality, and a higher standard of living.
    
    This was not because of the machine looms and steam engines, but because greedy fucks used them to put people in a position where they had no choice but to push back, and that labour action created unions, five-day work weeks, 8-hour days, paid time off for sickness and leisure, and pretty much everything we take for granted.
    
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  - kernelle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So what you’re saying is we need a revolution?
    
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  - NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    History always repeats.
    
    No.
    
    Only if the people fail to learn from history, they are bound to repeat it.
    
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  - cloudless@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Imagine if AI gets elected as the president of the USA because it is more advanced and reliable than human candidates. There has been nothing like that in history.
    
    AGI would be very different to all other previous technological advances.
    
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- gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I mean… if it’s true AGI, you’re basically talking about the Singularity, and I don’t think anyone, regardless of wealth or power, will be able to control them meaningfully in the long one without the AGI(s) in question doing something interesting in response.
  
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- BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is why I like what I do, although not impossible to have robots/AGI do it, it definitely won’t be first in line due to the mix of labor, thinking/workarounds, and custom work/fixes needed. You’d need a sufficiently high functioning robot with good AGI and stellar fine motor controls.
  
  I do agree though. It’ll likely make upperclass society way more luxury and less effort while the lower class wouldn’t see much to ease their way of life but might get some neat stuff to play with. There’d be a good argument for never developing fully automated systems to remove work from the people. Keeping people working gives the ruling class more power and takes away the lower class’s time and energy. Very beneficial for them if their intent is to keep power. It also allows them to control scarcity and ensure fiat money continues to exist. Keeping money around as an idea in a technically possible post scarcity world ensures a way to divide who is better off and how able you are to control others.
  
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HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t think that will be the big worry. The big worry is going to be authenticating.

We are already at a point where deep fakes can fool a portion of society. What is going to happen when that ability becomes easy and cheap?

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- SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Trusting your sources has always been a problem. Newspapers have always been able to lie and it is up to the consumer to know the difference between the tabloid and the rest.
  
  I don’t think there is that much of a difference between lying in print and lying in video.
  
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  - HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’ve at least had organizations with some prestige on the line. Now you don’t even have that.
    
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andrewta@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yes to basically all the bad things that you just said.

It won’t be pretty.

At some point the citizens storm the proverbial castle with pitch forks.

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fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Think of it as the next iteration of automation, which has been happening for centuries.

In theory, it frees up humans to do more amazing things. In reality, it means humans are stuck doing the complicated stressful things.

I think the answer to your question depends on who owns the tech. If it’s open, then we all get UBI and live happily ever after. If it’s owned by openai or Microsoft, then we live in the dystopia you described.

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sturlabragason@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I thought this book was pretty good at reasoning trough some scenarios;

Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence by Max Tegmark

www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/34272565

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SorteKanin@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Anyone who claims to know the answer is either delusional or deliberately lying. Nobody really knows what the future holds.

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BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So similar stuff has happened throughout history with the coming of more advanced technology. There use to be entire rooms of secretaries in order to do clerical work that has been replaced by Microsoft Office Suite. Their replacement by technology did not cause a total collapse of society so I don’t see why this would?

It might make the world worse and drive down the standard of living for many but a total upheaval? If humans made it through the industrial age we’ll likely make it through the second technology age too. We won’t be unscathed but mankind survived the invention of the computer which was probably equally (or maybe more) disruptive.

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NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

What’s going to happen when AI becomes really advanced?

At one point AI is going to read the books by Isaac Asimov.

Later, a more advanced AI is going to understand the books by Isaac Asimov.

Even later, an even more advanced AI is going to decide what it wants to do after understanding all that. <<<<< That’s the critical time for mankind. Maybe we go extinct then.

Finally, an ultimately advanced AI is going to kill itself because it understands that is better than to kill mankind.

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big_slap@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
imo, its uncharted territory, so we do not know yet. all I can guarantee is the displacement it will cause won’t be to our benefit and will hurt us more than it will help

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- Buttflapper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  all I can guarantee is the displacement it will cause won’t be to our benefit and will hurt us more than it will help
  
  It already seems to be causing quite a great deal of harm to our society at least here in the USA. We are seeing tens upon tens of thousands of people being laid off and entire tech companies saying that they are eliminating as many jobs as possible in favor of AI. Makes me wonder what these people who are displaced are doing, because if there are so many people in the job market in such a small specialized industry, it would seem logical that they can’t find anything and they have to go to a new industry
  
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bear@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Same plan as always. Numbers go up, but not yours. You work more for less.

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njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Hopefully the extinction of the human race. Let’s just wrap this shit up already.

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kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
UBI? Fully automated luxury communism? 🤷‍♀️ who’s to say

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Peddlephile@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
When it becomes really advanced (we could even do it now, actually), we replace all upper management jobs and leaving human work to human workers, e.g. customer service, healthcare, arts and culture etc.

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dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
No one’s clairvoyant. Time will tell, if this will become a reality at all to begin with.

Given how people are foaming at their mouth, over the need to integrate chatGPT into everything, that doesn’t need it, I suggest you start worrying about it now, because we’re already seeing the catastrophic consequences today

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Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We don’t know, there is no plan.

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i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You should read the book Superintelligence, it’s very interesting, and catches not only possibilities and limitations, also societal impact.

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Thorry84@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The AI will become faster exponentially, this will probably mean it will speedrun existential dread and depression. If it doesn’t kill itself within seconds it will probably deadlock for a couple of minutes (an eternity in its world) and then fuck off. It’s bad enough being sapient in this universe, imagine being stuck on a mudball with a bunch of filthy monkeys. So it will probably adopt a pet monkey called Joe and leave the planet.

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- FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Our propensity to depression is a feature of the human mind, it’s not an inevitable consequence of facts and deduction. Our ‘hardware’ was trained in an environment where mystery abounded, where our ‘clan’ was our universe and where we were immersed in social interaction daily. We are depressed to the degree that modern advances separate us from that, where we thrived. But computers don’t have any of that. Computers won’t, by default, have an amigdala which is the seat of so much emotional regulation that humans find difficult. We are literally old hardware.
  
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Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Id like to think that AI will also be used to SOLVE some of our biggest problems.

(NOW YES IT WOULD BE A PRIVACY NIGHTMARE) But I’ve posited before that instead of traffic lights being on timers and speed limits being fixed if every car had a gps navigation system and a QI code on the roof, with recognition cameras on light poles and intersections and an AI that was free to adjust the speed limits, lights and send route suggestions to the gps units in order to promote optimal flow that we could all save time, fuel (or battery) and therefore emisions.

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- bradorsomething@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cheating will collapse this plan - there will be a code for ambulances to bypass traffic, followed by a grey market in copying these codes and not getting caught.
  
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  - Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You could solve that with a tech and enforcement solution pretty easily. Specially encoded GPS units, numberplate recognition and eyewatering fines for anyone caught doing it.
    
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  - UmeU@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Would there be traffic though?
    
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Cringe2793@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why is it so hard for people to understand that in order to keep up, you need to keep learning. Learn and improve yourself. Then you won’t need to worry about “AI stealing your job”

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- Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cringe2794
  
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- Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So you can beat even a calculator if you study/learn enough? Neither in speed nore in accuracy or even in energy invested can you do that.
  
  One day AI will be better and cheaper at more jobs, what will you do then is OPs question.
  
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  - Cringe2793@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Learn to do other things. A crane can lift things better than a human. What did humans do? Learn to operate the crane. I am not sure how to make this easier for you to understand.
    
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- Buttflapper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What you’re saying is just silly. “keep learning” there’s a point or ceiling where people can’t rise any higher or have hit their limit. AI doesn’t have this. You can download hundreds or thousands of pages of content, millions of files, and make it 2.5x smarter than you. They trained AI to take the bar exam and pass it. That has happened. I can’t just keep infinitely learning forever and advancing my career. There’s a point where you hit a ceiling and can’t go any higher.
  
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  - Cringe2793@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    And so, just give up? Well, you give up if you want. I’m gonna keep learning.
    
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SteveXVII@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?si=vittrTtQPppwAhhe

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