There most likely were a bunch of people called Yeshua back then.
Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?
Submitted 11 months ago by BlowMe@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, there isn’t. Nor is there proof of moses
librejoe@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes there is. Amen brothers and sisters.
skeezix@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fa chrise sakes
butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait do other people really not get that this is sarcasm?
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There is a global plague of conservatism happening right now, so statements like these cannot be presumed to be sarcastic.
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lol and that proof is?
librejoe@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Jesus failed the final boss, and when it was game over, he used his game shark for infinite life and noclipped to end game screen.
bear@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
[deleted]blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
That doesn’t work. Either there is physical proof or there is none. Afaik the latter is correct.
Baahb@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ehhhhhh, you probably aren’t trying to be technical, but it’s worth noting that circumstancial evidence is definitely a thing; is evidence that suggests but doesn’t definitively state. As mentioned in this tread, Nero calls out pilate for executing Jesus. There’s also the often overlooked circumstancial evidence that there’s a whole ass religion to the guy, which sure there are other religions etc etc, but most of them don’t have a semi Devine being that you can point to specific dates and times…
I will continue on, I’m an atheist, so I’m not arguing for Christianity, so here’s obligatory circumstancial evidence against historical J.
Wasn’t a census when he was supposed to be born. No written accounts of Herod executing every baby boy in Judea. Etc etc lmgtfy if you need it
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 months ago
To be fair, if someone said Jesus never existed, they clearly wouldn’t be Christian 🤣
Baahb@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It really isn’t so clearcut. You don’t need an actual Jesus for the words attributed to him to be true. “Jesus” works perfectly fine as a container for an idea.
Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, I’ve got one of his toes in my car
Decoy321@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with nail polish.
AmidFuror@fedia.io 11 months ago
They've never been able to find Jesus's bones, which is itself strong evidence for the Biblical story that he was resurrected.
HostilePasta@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Strong Poe’s Law energy with this comment.
AmidFuror@fedia.io 11 months ago
Agreed.
rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t know that the History Channel is a good representation of academic consensus. It should basically never be relied upon.
person420@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
The tl;dr of that article isn’t even “no”. It provides both sides of the accounts and references academics that argue both ways.
I read it to make the same argument you did, but ended up considering it a surprisingly well written article.
rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Agree. But that specific article seems pretty alright. Also talks about the relics and history records for example by Flavius.
There also is a Wikipedia article which I think is not written that well. And a lot of education material by churches or religious organizations which I did not cite for obvious reasons.
Blackout@kbin.run 11 months ago
Yes there is, here is his mugshot shortly after he was booked. Looks like he spent the evening turning water into wine.
Attachment: kbin.run ↗frog_brawler@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He was created by Roman elites in order to divide the Jews and get them to pay taxes.
AscendantSquid@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Don’t they have his foreskin saved as a religious artefact? Like in some church somewhere because it performs miracles?
pjwestin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Relics are almost always fake, and there are usually multiples of them at any given time. A lot of people have had Jesus’ foreskin throughout the years, and I think there are 5 or 6 heads of John the Baptist floating around right now.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
and I think there are 5 or 6 heads of John the Baptist floating around right now
This man is hallucinating, so take whatever else he’s saying with a grain of salt.
JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nope.
sturlabragason@lemmy.world 11 months ago
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
how do you have sources for no? I mean I guess you can link to wikipedia and point out all the evidence is just some third party writings or such I guess.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Nope
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No.
There’s lots of ambiguous information. There is no firsthand, historically agreed upon data that supports his existence in the form we know him today. In other words, there was no magical guy doing magical things.
There is no Roman record of “nailed 3 prisoners to the posts today; Bill, Roger, and Jesus the magic guy who was a pain in the ass.”
However, like Arthurian Legend, it doesn’t mean some guy like Jesus didn’t exist, or an aggregate of characters weren’t assembled to be him on story. Arthur was possibly just a chieftain of a group who fought a couple of hefty battles and made a name for himself, but he ended up being an almost magical figure with wizards and witches in the story and - guess what, he will “rise again” from the dead when needed. And no, rising from the dead isn’t owned by Christian religious figures, Osiris of Egypt did it, Dionysius of the Greek Pantheon among many others. So maybe some dude, who probably wasn’t named Jesus, caused a stir and got a few people to take note. That grew over hundreds and even thousands of years to what we have now.
Want to know why King Arthur isn’t a competitor to Jesus? He a) doesn’t offer the opportunity to control people in this life for the hope of an afterlife, b) he isn’t profitable.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 months ago
An interesting thing about what we have now in Christianity though is that it basically spawned as-is in the first century though, with the Gospels and Paul’s letters, as well as Church Father’s writings being very consistent. Main differences has been the Roman Catholic Church developing their own doctrine such as Purgatory over time, while the Orthodox and the Protestants tend to reject such developments.
resonate6279@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Lee Strobel (former athirst, investigative journalist) wrote a book titled The Case For Christ.
His goal was to write the difinive work on proving that Jesus wasn’t who the Christians claim him to be. It backfired on him and he became a Christian.
If you’re wanting to read more on this topic, definitely read both sides and determine which has the stronger case. But the Strobel book seems to be well researched and well written, at least to me.
weststadtgesicht@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
That’s not really how he himself describes it. His wife became a Christian and after going to church with her he wanted to investigate the backgrounds - he didn’t want to disprove Christianity and was quite open-minded instead:
She invited me to a church, where I heard the Gospel explained in a way I could understand it. While I didn’t believe it, I realized that if it were true, it would have big implications for my life. So I decided to use my journalism experience and legal expertise (at the time, I was legal editor of The Chicago Tribune) to investigate whether there was any credibility to Christianity or any other faith system.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Where did you find that his goal was to prove Jesus wasn’t who Christians claim to be? From what I’ve read about Lee Strobel, he was sort of an atheist by default and converted when his wife did. He became a pastor and only wrote the Case for Christ more than a decade later
resonate6279@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I have updated my comment to direct to a comment from @weststadtgesicht that is more accurate.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 months ago
There is The Great Isaiah Scroll from before Jesus which contains prophecies about Jesus
leaveWitX@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Before Jesus, many people were sanctified in the flesh in this way.Later, Jesus imitated the practices of his predecessors and added hype, and he became a legend after his death.
over_clox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It is said that the foreskin of Jesus still exists…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
For all I know it could be just an ancient dried up piece of bacon 🤷♂️
Eczpurt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m not sure what you’d expect to see regarding physical proof but I’d say probably not much. Maybe there’s something in an ancient bible?
StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
No, Jesus never existed. He is a fictional character.