Comment on Interspecies linguistics

yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• blackluster117@possumpat.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Either back it up or get fucked up.”

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• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  curious how it’s always humans saying that they’re the only ones who have language…

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  • Droechai@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    it’s only humans capable of the sub communication protocol called English that says that

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No other languages have evolved to say that.

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      • Droechai@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Exactly, other languages would use something like “Det är bara människan som utvecklat tal” or “Es ist nur der Mensch, der die Sprache entwickelt hat” depending on language

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• TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Only humans have language.

  Animal language.

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• Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  They identified nouns and adjectives in prairie dog communication, that also seems to vary with regional dialects. I’ll try to remember to dig up a source when I’m not out and about later.

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  • tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Weren’t science communicators talking about parts of speech in whale communication last year, too? They’re using AI to identify patterns and variations in speech.

    Here’s a general (though older) overview of whale language: www.britannica.com/…/the-language-of-whales

    Here’s a more recent article taking about using AI to identify patterns in speech: scitechdaily.com/ai-decodes-sperm-whale-language-…

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  • Murdeth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I appreciate your disclaimers and context of your sources.

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  • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s cool as hell and animals definitely have all kinds of methods of communication that I’m sure we haven’t figured out yet - but it’s not language.

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    • overcast5348@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Okay, I’ll bite.

      Why isn’t it language? And how do you define that a method of communication qualifies to be called a language?

      Also, what would you call a method of communication that lies somewhere in between “follow the pheromones” and “modern human comms”?

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    • candybrie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What’s your definition of language?

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• oxideseven@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What is this strange group on Lenny that is so anti animal intelligence?

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• na_th_an@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A rattlesnake can certainly communicate using sound, but is that language? Bright colors can communicate ideas of “do not eat this” across species as well, but they wouldn’t fit my mental model of a language.

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  • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    what is language than making sounds to convey meaning and then decoding said sounds to understand their meaning

    human language is incredibly complex but a bee just buzzing a particular buzz that means “bear nearby” counts as a valid form of linguistic communication imo

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    • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Bees actually dance to communicate and it’s considered a language 😄

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• MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Koko the gorilla would beg to differ

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  • Droechai@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just gonna drop this, I haven’t done a deep dive in sources thoufh

    youtu.be/e7wFotDKEF4?si=earmcx6FpV4PLDfN

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    • MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Don’t leave your SI lying around like that

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