Comment on New Delhi - during lockdown vs now
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
The Earth can heal if we stop stabbing it.
I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but we’re going to rape the shit out of this planet until it’s a lifeless husk. It is in our nature. And it’s not like we have to rape the whole thing. Just the surface.
Even if we got really good at recycling, we’ll always produce waste and use resources that can’t be reproduced in a reasonable timeframe. 8 billion of us and counting. Raping.
Its not our nature, this entire thing is huffing the momentum of a couple thousand rich assholes who own everything. What we are wired to do is not change jack shit until we get fucked up. If we could conquer that and throw these assholes out you’ll see a better world in a single generation.
Mood AF. I hate feeling this way, but I almost feel things need to get worse before they get better.
I won’t actively work towards that, and I’ll work to make my community and city a better place in the midst of that. But I think humanity will only change when things are really drastic.
Eh. Still 8 billion people and counting consuming and generating unnatural waste.
We will always be chipping away at our environment unless we turn back into animals and the only waste we produce is organic.
That still leaves one viable choice with our current technology: find a way to live in balance. Which is totally not happening with the current zeitgeist.
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It is in our nature
No dumb dumb, it’s capitalism. A temporary system that has a beginning, and will in one way or another, end. We can change things. You’re not a slave to some nebulous “human nature”. Now, log off, stop doom scrolling, and go do something about it
No dumb dumb, it’s capitalism.
Is capitalism the only reason we produce waste? If capitalism ended tomorrow, so would all our consumption and production of unnatural material?
Use common sense, my bro. The only way we aren’t damaging the ecosystem is if we turn back into animals and the only waste we produce is feces. This isn’t rocket science.
But it’s fun giving the earth a frontal lobotomy, only so we can watch 30-second “AI” generated slop, causing our brains to become numb!
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
If you could just snap your fingers and half the world’s population would disappear would you?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
If I could snap my fingers and all the world’s billionaires disappear I would, or oil refineries. Not people though. Humans aren’t the virus.
jlow@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Snap for all the cars to disappear!
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Getting rid of half the population or half the refineries would accomplish the same thing right?
Seleni@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The problem is mathematically it just doesn’t work. Humans are too good at reproducing. We’d be back in force before too long.
No, the only way is more death note style, taking out billionaires and some of their bootlicking buddies, and those who put profit over the planet’s health. It’s perfectly possible for the rest of us to patch things up—we almost did it with the ozone—until guess who decided they wanted to throw money around to force us to stop.
huppakee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If the half of the population includes the part that owns cars perhaps, but the carbon footprint of a person varries greatly. In general the more money someone has the higher the burden they are on the climate.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Idk, I feel like targeting living beings is different than targeting structures, even though I know a sudden lack of refined oil would lead to death. I’m just convinced they’ll never stop until their own heat deaths.
kettuli@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They don’t refine oil for people to consume it, they refine oil to generate shareholder value.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If I could snap my fingers and have people wake up from the capitalist propaganda they’ve been forced their whole lives, I would. Population is not the issue, it’s a deflection.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Population is definitely an issue there’s no many problem that wouldn’t be instantly solved by going down to a hundred million people.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If your only problem is that you want more resources available for yourself, I can see how you’d come to that conclusion, but you’re wrong. It wouldn’t solve the underlying problems, and in fact it would create a whole set of new ones. Modern civilization depends heavily on economies of scale, and your magic finger snap does nothing to change how resources are produced, distributed, or consumed.
You’re also assuming that every human consumes resources at roughly the same rate. They don’t. Not even close. A tiny fraction of humanity consumes vastly more resources than billions of other people. Your finger snap doesn’t address that inequality at all. The same people and systems that concentrate resources now would simply have an even larger pool of resources to hoover up afterward. Then what? Snap your fingers again?
And follow the logic to its conclusion. If reducing humanity to 100 million “solves” problems because fewer people are consuming resources and competing for them, then 1 million should be even better. Five thousand better still. Ultimately, zero humans means zero poverty, zero war, zero homelessness, zero human carbon emissions, and zero human suffering. Problem solved!
Except obviously it isn’t, because eliminating the people who experience a problem is not the same thing as solving the problem for those people.
We don’t have billions of people living in poverty because there simply isn’t enough stuff on Earth to go around. We have enormous disparities in who controls resources and who gets to consume them. Fantasizing about eliminating most of humanity while leaving that system completely intact makes you a stooge for the oligarchs.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Holy fuck why does Lemmy have so many ecofascists
huppakee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not like they are welcome in many other places
ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Resorting to calling people ecofascists feels pretty reductive. As the world currently exists, and under current economic systems, population growth is a pretty huge issue, especially while basically zero effort is being put into reducing carbon emissions globally.
There was an article somewhere in these threatlds that gave a decent summary:
What a lot of people (myself included) struggle with is that the amount and significance of change needed to make an actual difference is huge right now, and it requires a concerted global effort to get anywhere close to halting what feels like an inexorable rise in earth’s temperatures.
Until we can change this then humans might as well be described as a virus and looking at forced population control (in this case of transport etc. under covid) and seeing a measurable improvement in our environment feels cathartic and, honestly, easier to obtain than the global overturning of capital.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Goes on do describe their definitionally ecofascist beliefs in detail
Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Where in the fuck do you get ecofascism from!? Do you even know what the word means.
"Ecofascism is a political ideology that blends environmental protection with extreme racism, white supremacy, and violence against marginalized groups. "
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How about you do the bare minimum reading and take a look at the wikipedia page for ecofascism instead of presenting me with a dictionary definition of the word, which only highlights your obvious ignorance on this topic, and then get back to me when you’re done.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Straight half? No. A select 3% a year for five years? Maybe. If you’ve seen any of the realistic critiques of the Thanos snap you know that doesn’t go well. Trimming down the fascists, oligarchs, nationalist, theocrats, tech barons, and similar greed and hate mongers should be enough without crashing everything.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Well resource consumption wouldn’t go down THAT much. Outside of private jets and the like, most shit is still consumed by people.
Making it all illegal works, killing the people who make it possible for us does not because new ones will spring up.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Disrupt their established power networks and put the fear of gods in the survivors would go a long way.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah, Same here honestly. I wish
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Without a second thought
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I would probably get botox for my chin first and then think about it.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Id just have the wealthiest die 5 billion times
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We could just behave, we dont need to kill half of everyone.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I was on Thanos’ side the entire time.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I felt like this watching Black Panther. The “bad” guy wanted to give Wakanda’s weapons to the oppressed and downtrodden people of the world, and I was like “yeah, sounds good.”
Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
*Starts dancing flamenco