Yeah, i am a gamer i don’t give a fuck about what the right is trying to push regarding identity politics or “the woke left”. Even as a long time gamer i believe that love has nothing to do with gender or specific body parts, it all comes down to personal preference and the freedom to choose what you are looking for. don’t just pin this on the gamers please.
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Steve@communick.news 1 month ago
This is unrelated to gamers.
There are plenty non-gamers who think like this.
There are plenty of gamers who don’t.
This is just a subset of people.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Yup.
I have family that supports all the awful shit going on in my country right now (US). They tell me it’s just politics, and that I’m wrong to stop talking to them.
The gamers I play with all openly talk about how wrong Trump and his administration is. We used to try to be apolitical, but the second term opened the flood gates. It is no longer moral to not talk about everything going on.
wizblizz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There are plenty of gamers who do and are especially toxic. Your post reads like a ‘not all men’. There’s nothing wrong with targeting a vocal subset, it doesn’t invalidate any other group.
Steve@communick.news 1 month ago
All inclusive statements like this are in fact lazy and stupid. Using them automaticly make you wrong, and makes you vulnerable to equally stupid retorts like not all men. They are unforced errors in public discourse.
If you want to target a vocal subset, that’s great! Do that, not this.
wizblizz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I see your point.
All sweeping generalizations are, in fact, false.
That vocal subset has tarnished the term ‘gamer’ as a whole for me, I reflexively go to associating that label with them. There are those who game who are not part of the toxic Manosphere, but self describing as a gamer is a red flag for me.
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Gamer since 1982 (both D&D box set and Apple ][)… fuck these manbaby chuds.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They are called conservatives.
WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
…and mysoganists.
spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
theyrethesamepicture.webp
Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s a subset of people that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: gamergate
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
I disagree about the large overlap. It overlaps with a very loud minority that wants to take over the gaming space, same as they tried with the metal and goth fans in the early 2000 in my area. Don’t fall for this shit. Most gamers nowadays are well balanced normal human beings.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How dare you call me normal
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
lol
ok i am NOT normal, because most of my day consists of testing some games on my PC. But i gotta say that most people who are into gaming nowadays don’t fit the cliche of “recluse NEET gamer” anymore.
So if you don’t wanna feel normal, you are free to do so, as long as you aren’t a piece of shit my dude ;-)
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I really don’t think do man. Sarkeasian was on to something when they said the media we consume shapes us and having lived the media zeitgeist of the early 2000’s I can tell you we lived in a factory for making entitled little shitheads. There’s a reason why they got so roided up at her specifically and it’s because she read the industry for filth
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Meanwhile, Im just trying to earn bells so my little duck guy can have a fancy new bridge in animal crossing.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
You gotta split that up.
Sarkeesian was specifically trying to rile the rightwing chuds up. I applaud her for making that awful segment of gamers visible, so we all could see what was hidden there, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that there were a lot of gamers - i would even say a majority - that weren’t part of this shitstorm.
I never was against Sarkeesian, even tho she wasn’t really speaking for me, but she made a part of gamer culture visible that was at that time hiding beneath the surface. Gaming society at large also made clear that they don’t want that kind of conduct to be the standard. It took a while, but if you filter out the loud majority that rages against everything they decide is woke, you can see that most gamers don’t want to be associated with this hateful crap.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
That’s funny. You’d think being right wing would not align with being goth.
I knew some goths who were mostly apolitical, and so possibly susceptible to a small portion of that mindset (like I could maybe see a bit of manly manosphere type stuff) but in general that does not align with being anti establishment, which was, at least in the 90s, a large aspect of goth culture.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
laughs in ancient punk
nazis don’t care about the values embedded in the culture before they show up. nazis don’t care about nothing except bats and boots.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
There was a large push in europe around the 2000,2010s by the neofolk chuds, trying to push into the goth scene. they were largely unsuccessful.
BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk 1 month ago
There’s an overweight of outcasts in gaming spaces, which is why queer people are incredibly overrepresented. Both among developers, players and in games themselves
But for the same reasons, you’ll find gaming related echo chambers that funnel people into hate filled ideology such as incel culture. A different kind of outcasts.
Sure gaming have become quite mainstream and you can find almost any sub group who games. But most “normies” games less than the outcasts, as they don’t need the escapism it allows for.
Within the more “normal people” group, there’s also variations. Some allow for hatred to exist within the communities they act within, some don’t, some allow for queer safe spaces others turn around the second they see it.
It’s a nuanced topic, which could turn into paragraph after paragraph. But outcasts are overrepresented within gaming. Especially rural outcasts, as they aren’t able to find a physical group to mirror themselves in
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
i don’t think many people who played games at the time were heavily invested in gamergate, but the gamergate gamers were a very loud and toxic minority. that’s often who is being talked about when you say gamer, not the average person who plays games.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
I literally don’t call myself a gamer anymore because I don’t want to be associated with that trash.
They can have the term, quite frankly, playing video games isn’t a personality but I like the idea of clearly identifying the people that think it is.
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I don’t know how I feel about it.
I probably game too much, even as an elderly old man. I still call myself a gamer AND want Steve Bannon and all his diet nazis to die in the most humiliating and embarrassing way possible… crushed by frozen poop falling from a plane sounds fun.
This is what nazis do. Take good or innocuous things and pervert them. All they do is destroy.
I’ll still keep calling myself a gamer while respecting your desire to distance yourself from scum.
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
that’s a good mindset to have
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca 1 month ago
Yeah, I’m into gaming and still in the dark about what gamersgate is about. I was on reddit but not using other social media like twitter, so maybe that played role in not getting much exposure to it.
I don’t think average gamer kept up with gamersgate, since they just were more interested in what games came out, reviews, and discussions about games.
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
It also ignored casual gamers. Like I think little phone games are now the biggest market. Honestly I think gamer is such a blanket term it doesn’t have a lot of meaning anymore. I am pretty sure just by how widely digital gaming is now, how many players are like under 10 years old etc like they could NOT be gamergate people.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
a subset of people are pieces of shit. Lots of people are gamers. Grandmas are gamers. Grandpas are gamers. School teachers are gamers. Doctors are gamers. CEOs call themselves gamers too.
Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
perhaps there’s a difference between
people who play games
and
those with the identity of gamer
BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There’s not. I’ve never heard of gamergate before this thread and I know I’m not alone. I’ve probably referred to myself as a gamer before as it’s shorter than saying I play video games.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca 1 month ago
That sounds to me like theorizing if perhaps there is a difference between people who play football and people who identity as a footballer.
What does that really mean?
Both enjoy their hobby with the only difference being if they choose to introduce themselves by the hobby, but still doesn’t really tell us much about them.
Other than I guess other than some anecdotal assumptions that are going to widely vary on peoples personal interactions and which social media they choose to interact with.
Steve@communick.news 1 month ago
A majority of people are gamers now.
The subset of people who are like this, are a small minority; Both among gamers and the general population.
Gamergate included a small fraction of one gaming type, at best.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
What the hell is gamergate?
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Epstein funded chud movement. Started from 4chan. This video explains it in detail
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Thank you so much, I always heard about it and saw it referenced in discussion but didn’t actually know what the hell happened or what it actually was, I’ll have to sit down and give this a watch!
maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
It coincided with the moment Facebook stopped being fun, due to all the reactionary boomers moving in.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
See: Survivorship Bias
Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 month ago
There’s also a subset of people who make up statements based on nothing more than them wanting to believe what they’re saying is true that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: your comment.
So I guess you’re a gamer too.