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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Have you read Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy?

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  • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yea but they were playing cricket with the Galaxy

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hah, actually no I have not.

    -1 nerd point lol

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    • Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t want to spoil anything because you really should, but this is very reminiscent of a plot point in one of the books.

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      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Damn, only now did I realize I’ve only read one book in a series

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      • Rubisco@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This hoopy frood really knows where the towel is.

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    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good news: it’s all public domain. If you want to read it, it is here. Whole series is there, at least the public domain ones. There was a newer one that wasn’t public domain when I last checked, though that was a long time ago and it might be now.

      Don’t read it for nerd points. Read it to find out why it’s associated with nerd points.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ahem.

        archive.org/…/the-hitch-hikers-guide-to-the-galax…

        Not the PDF, but, also not not the book, technically.

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      • pro3757@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Uhh, I couldn’t see anywhere that it’s in the public domain. Could you point me to a source for that?

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      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Series? More then one? So long and thanks for all the books!

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  • toynbee@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Have you read the short story “All Summer in a Day”?

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• IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wrote and tried publishing a short story about a species like that.

  where only occasionally people on top of mountains see stars, and they chuck it as a consequence of low pressure. eventually they invented flight, and assume pilots going high enough to see stars are having cognitive issues due to lack of air.

  They asked pilots to draw the stars they see, and they get different drawings (they sent pilots at different times of the year because they couldn’t ever expect stars to shift) and assume its proof that thise stars are a cognitive artifact.

  Eventually a pilot swears they are real and can actually use then to navigate, skepticism, he proves it. brand new research field emerges.

  Although the story focuses more on deep DEEP time an omniengineering. (A term I just made up because mega engineering is a concept way too small compared to the one in the story).

  If you want I don’t mind putting that story in the conversation.

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  • DanVctr@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Post it for sure

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      docs.google.com/document/d/…/edit?usp=drivesdk

      tried putting the text in a comment, but it’s too long, I enabled comments.

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      • KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I loved it. Thanks for sharing!

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      • Mandarbmax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That was a good read! I liked the pacing, the dawning not quite horror.

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      • vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I liked it. It seems to fall apart at the end a bit but this is a really cool concept for sure.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Shit yeah go for it, I love those kinds of stories!

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      docs.google.com/document/d/…/edit?usp=drivesdk

      tried putting the text in a comment, but it’s too long, I enabled comments.

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      • anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        thank u, good read

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  • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d read it

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      docs.google.com/document/d/…/edit?usp=drivesdk

      tried putting the text in a comment, but it’s too long, I enabled comments.

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  • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Heck yeah, I’d read that.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      docs.google.com/document/d/…/edit?usp=drivesdk

      tried putting the text in a comment, but it’s too long, I enabled comments.

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      • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks! Will review.

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• mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Nightfall”, by Arthur C. Clarke is a short story based on this premise.

  Except in the story it’s a complex multiple-star solar system that makes it very rare for all suns to set at once.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Augh!

    You’re telling me there’s an Arthur C Clarke short that I missed?

    Damnit I am losing so many nerd points today.

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    • quixote84@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s an Isaac Asimov story. An excellent one I cite frequently with regards to human ability to cope with increasing rate of change.

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      • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Whoops! That’s my mistake.

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    • assa123@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      points regained, even doubled!

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  • LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    thanks for the good read!

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, the church threw us back about a millenia, so what’s a few centuries.

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  • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is there a particular instance you’re referring to here? Because contrary to popular belief, the church has historically been big on investing in what we now call science.

    For instance, although the trial of Galileo is often characterised as “big bad church holds us back because religion is opposed to heliocentrism”, there was actually a lot of legitimate scientific beef against Galileo. Although he ended up being right about heliocentrism, he didn’t really have good evidence to support his claims; He didn’t understand Kepler’s laws of planetary motion, and his telescope produced so many aberrant artifacts that astronomers who use it were reasonable to be dubious of his claims.

    If you’d like to learn more, here’s an excellent video by Dr Fatima, an astrophysicist turned science communicator. The philosopher of science, Paul Feyerabend also uses Galileo as a case study in his book Against Method

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    • liuther9@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because religion contradicts scientific approach to thinking. I personally like the way in which Carl Sagan gets rid of all the “noise” information when investigating how the world works. Religion is a noise

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      • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you’re a fan of Sagan, you might be interested to hear that he considered that “science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality”.

        Religion might be noise for you, but for countless people across history, it has been what has helped them to cut through noise. Religion unequivocally does not contradict scientific thinking — what we understand as scientific thinking wouldn’t even exist today if not for religion.

        Things don’t have to be a binary of religion vs science. Religion has so often been the driving inspiration for brilliant scientists across the world, for much of recorded history. And in parallel, there have been religious scholars who find spiritual awe and fulfillment in seeing scientific advances.

        That definitely doesn’t mean that everything is always great between religion and science — I’m very much not a fan of things like evangelical Christians who claim that dinosaurs weren’t real, or the Taliban who prevent women from being educated. Those are examples of religion being used as a cudgel against science, but if we want to genuinely resist that kind of thing, it’s not productive to instead try to use science to bash religion. Our best resistance is to embrace the fact that science and religion can and do coexist, in many different shapes and forms.

        Part of my stance here is pragmatic — I’m a scientist myself, and I am filled with dread when I see how anti-science rhetoric is flourishing nowadays, and I am resentful as hell towards the many religious assholes who are feeding that. However, if I direct my beef towards religion as a whole, then that’s a heckton of people that I’ve given up on trying to convince. I believe that the scientific method should be a tool that everyone has available in their toolbox, even if it’s not something their daily life often requires — it’s a useful perspective to have on hand no matter your background.

        However, I’m realistically never going to convince someone to give up their faith in exchange for this tool, especially as I am not religious myself and thus don’t properly understand what purpose religion serves them. I can make a far more compelling case for science if it isn’t framed as something that seeks to displace their faith. And you never know, once someone does have scientific thinking as a tool in their toolbox, and they know how to use it, they might end up relying on it more and more. I personally know many scientists who have experienced this kind of journey. Though giving up on faith entirely isn’t required, as evidenced by the many excellent scientists I have known whose religious faith drives their passion for research — the best biochemistry tutor I ever had was even a reverend.

        Science and religion are not incompatible, and there is evidence of that strewn across history and society. To ignore that fact would be to betray the principles of empiricism that the scientific method is built upon.

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      • pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because religion contradicts scientific approach to thinking

        Any scientific base for that claim? Because there seems to be way to much religious scientist for it to be true.

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pick a religous war. then pick another. Then knock all the rest of the religous wars into your shopping cart. Now consider future religous wars.

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      • krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We’re talking about science not wars here.

        Also wars are one of the Strongest advancer of science, case in point: jet engine

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• Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Project Hail Mary has a bit about this, don’t want to say more to keep it spoiler free.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Haven’t seen it yet, I appreciate the nonspoiling =D

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    • bort@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      iirc that detail they are refering to, didnt make it into the movie.

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      • Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, correct, they skipped a lot of the harder science for the movie to keep it a reasonable length. Movie was still very good though!

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    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Definitely read the book. The book is about the existential elation at discovering a solution to a dire problem, so knowing poorly a communicated versions of every solution will likely ruin the book for anyone serious about the hard Sci-Fi.

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• nilaus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, as soon as they invent radio and experience interferens radio astronomi will evolve… I guess?

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• Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is a Doctor Who Christmas Episode

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• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have written a post about exactly this phenomenon, arguing that that’s how most animals/insects see the world (assuming their sense of vision isn’t good enough or they just don’t care to look up). Apparently i was wrong, even insects can see the stars and navigate due to their light (milky way navigation).

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• feinstruktur@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would instantly buy your book!

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hah, I haven’t written one, but maybe check out Arthur’s short story elsewhere in the comments!

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• Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That just sounds like a hollow world…

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