Comment on Why are people using the "þ" character?

HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• janNatan@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ok. It’s time for unsolicited German facts.

  The ß or “esset” (also known as “scharfes s” or “sharp s”) is actually the combination of the old long s (ſ) and a regular s.

  ſ + s = ſs = ß

  Isn’t that neat? It’s also worth noting that no words start with ß, and it is lower-case only. If you need to write a word with an ß in all caps, replace it with a double s.

  Straße -> STRASSE

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  • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    and it is lower-case only

    More unsolicited German facts:

    ẞ, that is the upper-case version, does indeed exist and has been official since 2017.

    de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Großes_ß

    That being said, it’s pretty uncommon, and mostly only typography nerd use it, but I just couldn’t let that slide.

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    • janNatan@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I just found this out. Idk how I feel about this.

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  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    German facts.

    The ß or “esset” (also known as “scharfes s” or “sharp s”) is actually the combination of the old long s (ſ) and a regular s.

    ſ + s = ſs = ß

    In German it usually goes back to a combo of ſ + z, aka “ess-zett”.

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    • Jumbie@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What the fuck. I hate math.

      /s

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    • janNatan@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I meant the character itself (the way it is drawn) is a combination of long s and regular s. But, you’re right.

      Also, the Wikipedia page says a capital ß is actually occasionally used. You learn something every day, I guess.

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      • Sheldan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Capital ß was introduced rather recently

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      • Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But the second part of the ß is a z. It’s a z written in cursive.

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  • ZoDoneRightNow@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its actually a ligature with tailed z: ſʒ

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  • HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i actually knew that; i’m learning german! besides, i had to long press the s key to get that ß.

    it’s funnier to use it as a B.

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  • Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fß

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cool, thanks for the detail!

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  • EldenLord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    STRAẞE

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  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In this era full of bad German shit, I publicly thank you for your cool German facts.

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  • davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Niiiiice thank you so much for pointing this out.

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  • brax@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Kiss my schloß

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• carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  sure, but you have to think about accessibility (like screen readers)

  the iOS screen reader just read your last line as “sesides, it’s fun toe fuck around a ring little bit”

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  • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not like screen readers on Lemmy arent already transmitting untold horror as is.

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  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Eh, fait accompli. Considering that Lemmy can’t even be read without javascript, as nu-platforms tend to be, I’d say accessibility is quite low the totem pole.

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• Pissmidget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As someone who uses the æøå in their native tongue, please don’t. It makes the words sound awful.

  I’m still annoyed with stargåte.

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  • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To be fair, the å in Stargate is a coincidence, as it’s the symbol to represent earth which is represented by a pictograph of a pyramid with the sun behind it, i.e. this.

    But I can imagine how annoying that is, I can read Cyrillic and every time people use a Я to be an R it bogs my mind for a second.

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  • possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it’s okay, let them use ø in to, and then ask them to pronounce it. they’ll reallllly struggle to get it. maybe even try to have them say rødgrøn med fløde to see them really suffer pronouncing something.

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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  leɪm. ˈtruli ˈɛləɡənt ˈpipəl ʃʊd bi ˈjuzɪŋ aɪ-pi-eɪ.

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  • HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ipa’s fun, and honestly very useful! more people should learn it at least.

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    • bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It should be THE alphabet. No more “how does this sound?” / ”how do you spell it?”.

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      • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would agree if IPA wasn’t so stupidly European. Basicallly has the same issue as Esperanto.

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• SlippiHUD@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It usually will completely defeat my ability to read when I come across it, if I havent seen it in a while.

  But once I realize what’s going on my brain processes it fine.

  But for a second my thought process goes “Stroke?.. No, just metaphorical sand in the metaphorical reading gears.”

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• Havatra@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I agree with the personalizing! I have a friend who wasn’t very good in English, so he masked it with leetspeak, and now that has simply become his style. It’s a bit of a hurdle getting used to it, but it’s rather intuitive, fortunately.

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• QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For me it makes the text MUCH harder to read. Basically, instead of just quickly “scanning” the text I need to stop and consciously decipher words with this character.

  When I read words I know I don’t read them letter by letter, I just recognize the entire “shape” instantly. The thorn throws this mechanism off completely for me.

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• BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not hard to read so I just laugh at how fucking mad one guy gets everyone.

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